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（阿語）

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（希語）

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我會再確認時間地點
I'll reconfirm the time, and the location.

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我再打給你
Wait for my call.

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對 系藍色領帶
Yes, wear the blue tie.

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＂奧斯陸 挪威外交部＂

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＂１９９２年１２月＂

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＂耶路撒冷＂

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聽到了嗎 
Hello?

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他中午會到
He'll be there at noon.

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太好了 親愛的
Excellent, darling.

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聽好了 這是非官方會晤
Listen to me. This meeting is completely unofficial.

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放心 我知道
Understood. Absolutely.

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絕對不可以提及挪威外交部
You cannot even mention my ministry.

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親愛的 相信我
Darling... Darling... Trust me.

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（希語）

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我方與巴勒斯坦 兩年來進行多邊談判
Two years of multi-national negotiations between us and the Palestinians have achieved

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毫無進展
absolutely nothing.

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＂以色列外交副長＂ 原因出在我國政府
Why? Because our government

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拒絕直接與巴解對談
refuses to negotiate directly with the PLO.

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不讓他們上會議桌
They are not allowed at the table.

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但每天巴解財政部長阿赫麥庫賴
But every day, Ahmed Qurie, the PLO's finance minister,

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都從倫敦會議室對面的飯店里
in London,sitting in a hotel room across the street from the negotiation

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指示巴方代表團如何發言
telling the Palestinian delegation exactly what to say.

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再這樣下去后果不堪設想
We are racing toward a precipice.

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歐洲人說我們跟納粹沒兩樣
In Europe, they are calling us Nazis.

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連歐洲都這樣
In Europe.

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越來越多世人與我們反目成仇
Every day, more and more of the world turns against us,

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我們卻只懂得談判
but all we do is sit at that fucking negotiation table.

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因為雙方的談判方式僵化
Because you're trapped in a process

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無法建立互信
incapable of building trust.

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但只要借助我的專長
But...with my assistance, my expertise,

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你們可以扭轉局勢
you could change that.

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請問韓森先生 代表挪威的哪個部會 
Tell me exactly what part of the Norwegian government are you with,

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敝姓拉森
Mr. Huntsen? -Larsen.

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叫我塔瑞就好
Call me Terje.

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我只是一般公民
No, I'm a, a private citizen.

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是法弗智庫的負責人
I run the Fafo Institute. A think tank.

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我為何該接受你協助 
-Why would I accept your help?

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因為你們需要幫助
-Because you need it.

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唯有我的談判方式幫得上你們
Because my negotiating model, and mine alone, is going to help you.

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貴國與巴解
You and the Palestinians are using

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使用過時的總體主義談判模式
the antiquated negotiating model of totalism.

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把所有議題一股腦丟上會議桌
All issues of disagreement

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多邊集體交火
on the table. All sides at the table.

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根本行不通 過程拘泥僵化
It's disastrous. The process is formal, it's rigid,

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結果當然一敗涂地
and the results are absolute failure.

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我們在按美國的要求做
But this is what the Americans want us to do.

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照做的同時
And so you must do it, but at the same time,

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不妨開啟第二個溝通管道
start a second process.

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別只顧由雙方政府放大話
Built, not on grand pronouncements between governments,

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人與人之間要誠心對談
but intimate discussions between people

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選個完全隱密的地方
held somewhere isolated. Totally.

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貴國與巴解關起門來
Where you and the PLO can meet. Alone.

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好好談一談
And talk.

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我負責導正談判模式
This process I could oversee.

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安排的地點保證絕對隱密
The place, I'd arrange. Absolute discretion, guaranteed.

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以色列官員依法不準與巴解對談
It is illegal for any Israeli official to speak to the PLO.

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我知道
-Yes.

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但非官方人選就行了
-But someone unofficial...

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您和裴瑞斯部長可以親自挑選
-Who you and Peres could choose.

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再由您引介給‥
-That you could introduce to.

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沒錯 我正有此意
-Exactly what I was thinking. -Yes.

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喝點茶嗎 
-Tea? -Yes.

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你派駐中東多久 
And how long were you stationed in the Middle East?

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兩年
Two years.

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最近才剛調回國內嗎 
And from this, you have just returned.

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對
Yes.

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謝謝
Thank you.

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庫賴部長 幸會
It is a pleasure to meet you, Mr. Qurie.

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幸好我倆同時因公來倫敦
I'm pleased our work brings us to London at the same time.

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你來洽公
Ah, well, you are here for work.

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我卻跑來干蠢事
But alas, I am here for foolishness.

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對面飯店里的人
In that hotel,

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正在商談巴勒斯坦的未來
they are negotiating for the future of Palestine.

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而我身為巴解財政部長
Yet I, who am the finance minister of the PLO,

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居然不得其門而入
I am banned, barred,

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而這張談判桌缺了我
blocked from the very table

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卻能決定我國未來民生走向
where the economic future of my people is to be determined.

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庫賴部長 您無需對我說明
Mr. Qurie, you don't need to give me the speech.

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當然了 因為你站在我們這邊
Of course. You are on our side.

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我也站在對方那邊
And on theirs.

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（阿語）我何其有幸得智者建言

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抱歉 我不懂阿拉伯語
Forgive me, but I don't speak Arabic.

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但你自認了解我方政治與人民
And yet you profess to understand my region and my people,

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顯然你懂的并不多
when in fact, clearly, there is very little that you understand.

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也許是吧
That may be true.

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但我知道貴組織領導人阿拉法特
But I do understand that your Chairman Arafat's

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在波灣戰爭中支持海珊政權
backing of Saddam Hussein in the Gulf War

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昔日阿拉伯盟友因此反目
so angered your now former Arab allies

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驅逐九萬名巴勒斯坦勞工
that they expelled 90,000 Palestinian guest workers,

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導致巴勒斯坦人經濟窘迫
thereby creating such a financial catastrophe for your people,

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巴解流亡到突尼斯 有家歸不得
that the PLO is now stuck in exile in Tunis,

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連電費都繳不起
unable to pay even the electricity bills.

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我也知道我國政府若不出手相救
I also understand that without additional support from my government,

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貴組織在國際間將愈趨無足輕重
your organization will slide one step closer to irrelevancy.

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庫賴部長 您可一吐需求
Mr. Qurie, tell me how much you need,

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我盡力幫忙
and I will do what I can.

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但我需要您做一件事
But I want you to do one thing.

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不為我 而為貴組織著想
Not for me. For you.

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有個人今天奉派到倫敦拜訪您
There's a man being sent here to London to meet you today.

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您若能接見就太好了
If you are willing to see him.

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這邊請
-This way. Yep. Mm-hmm.

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他知道我不是 政府代表吧 
-I'm not here as my government. -He knows this, right?

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＂海法大學教授＂ 他當然知道
-Yes, he knows. He knows. He knows.

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以色列人依法 不得會見巴解成員
It is against the law, Mr. Larsen, To meet with the PLO.

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您先請‥謝謝
I know. Shh, shh, shh. After you. After you. Hello. Thank you.

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－好‥他知道 沒問題 －但是我‥
Yes, he knows. Come on. -Absolutely. Absolutely. -But, I, I, I--

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等一下
Wait, wait, wait...

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怎么了 
What's wrong?

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我從來沒跟以色列人見過面
I have never met an Israeli face-to-face.

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想好要說什么了吧 
Now, you know what you're going to say?

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－對 那當然 －很好
-Ah, yes, yes. Yes, of course. -Okay.

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準備
Yeah, yeah. Right. Okay.

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怎么樣  上場了
Right. Here we go.

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你好
Hello.

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你好
Hello.

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倫敦現在很冷
London is very cold this time of year.

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對
Yes.

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而且潮濕
And wet.

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對
Yes.

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不像老家
Not like home.

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我自１９６７年就沒回過老家
I have not been home since 1967,

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當時村子里不分男女老少
when every man, woman, and child in my village

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皆被迫離家
was forced to flee our homeland,

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躲避大舉遷來的猶太復國主義者
before the advancing hordes of Zionism.

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但我還記得這個時節的溫暖氣候
But I remember well the warmth there this time of year.

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我拜讀了您的最新論文
I read your latest paper.

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寫得好極了
I thought it was excellent.

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謝謝你
Thank you.

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實不相瞞 我也寫了篇論文
As a matter of fact, I...I've written a paper of my own,

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點出經濟合作的效益
demonstrating the benefits of such economic cooperation.

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希望您能過目
Perhaps if you could read it.

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給些專業意見
Give me your professional feedback.

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榮幸之至
I would be honored.

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兩位 時間到了
Gentlemen, it's time.

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感謝您不吝賜教
You have been most generous with your thoughts.

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我們應該再見面
We should meet again.

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討論雙方的經濟與愿景
To discuss economics. The future.

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據說會面地點若在奧斯陸
I'm told if we were to meet in Oslo,

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雙方的共同友人會‥
Friends would prove-- appro--

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抱歉‥
Sorry... Sorry.

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據說會面地點若在奧斯陸
I am told if we were to meet in Oslo,

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我們雙方的共同友人能夠提供
friends would provide us

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安全隱密的場所
solitude and privacy,

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符合我們的一切需求
and anything else we would require.

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你到底是何方神圣 
Who are you?

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我就是個經濟學教授
I'm just a professor of economics

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支持以巴對話而已
who supports dialogue with the PLO.

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你代表哪位官員發言 
On whose authority do you speak?

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我不是官方代表
I have no authority!

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但我明天在特拉維夫吃早餐時
But I am having breakfast tomorrow in Tel Aviv

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身邊會有好友尤西貝林
with my dear good friend Yossi Beilin.

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我真想向新任外交副長
I am so looking forward to telling our new deputy foreign minister

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聊聊這趟倫敦行
about my trip to London.

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＂挪威外交副長＂ 天啊‥絕對行不通
My God. I mean, my God, that's impossible.

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揚恩 柏林墻都倒了
Jan, the Berlin Wall has just fallen,

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蘇聯也已解體 沒有不可能的事
the Soviet empire has disbanded. Anything is possible.

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假如會談地點在挪威
If we set up a meeting here in Norway,

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巴解代表會是阿赫麥庫賴
Ahmed Qurie will come as the voice of the PLO.

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莫娜 只有阿拉法特能代表巴解
There is no voice of the PLO but Arafat's, Mona.

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阿赫麥庫賴算哪根蔥 
Who is this Ahmed Qurie?

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你怎么確定他告知阿拉法特了 
How can you be sure this man has even told Arafat what he's doing?

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阿拉法特完全知情也贊同
Because Arafat is fully informed and behind this.

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－是嗎  －千真萬確
-Really? -Yes. Absolutely.

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若由我們主辦 以方也同意出席
And if we host it, the Israelis are on board, as well.

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不對 莫娜
No. Mona,

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就算尤西貝林同意
Yossi Beilin is on board,

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－但他的官階還不夠大 －揚恩‥
who does not have the authority Jan, Jan. Jan, Jan.

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尤西當著我的面說
Yossi told me to my face. Directly.

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裴瑞斯完全授權給他
This comes from Shimon Peres. No question.

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莫娜 你我皆任職外交部
Mona, you are I are members of the foreign service.

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－不能破壞政府的中立立場 －政府不必涉入
We cannot jeopardize the Norwegian government's neutrality in this conflict--We're not talking about involving the Norwegian government.

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－純屬私人會晤 －你難道看不出行不通嗎 
-This is just us. It's just us. -Do you not see the impossibility in what you are proposing here?

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你位屬初階 塔瑞只是社會學者
You're a junior minister, and Terje's just a sociologist.

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這樣就夠了
Then that must be enough.

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我們對外宣稱塔瑞的機構
Listen, we will say that Terje's institute is hosting

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邀請以巴學者來挪威參加研討會
a conference here in Norway for Israeli and Palestinian academics.

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塔瑞向朋友借用了莊園豪宅
Terje will ask a friend to loan us his manor house.

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我幫他們用別名訂普通機票
I will book them all on regular flights under different names.

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只開租用車 不走外交通道
Rental cars only, and no diplomatic channels.

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但核發簽證就得靠你了
But for this to work, we need you to sign off on their visas.

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揚恩 聽我說
Jan. Jan, listen.

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政府不必知情
No one else in the government needs to know.

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霍斯特部長跟外交部不會受波及
This way, Holst and the ministry is protected.

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你若不同意 就當我們沒談過
If you say no, this conversation never happened.

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－塔瑞 對吧  －沒錯
-Isn't that right, Terje? -Of course.

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那就放手干
Let's fucking do it.

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行嗎 
-Yes?

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臺面上由法弗智庫出面
-But officially, this is Fafo's scheme.

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出事就算在你頭上
-If this goes to shit, it's all on you.

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知道了‥
-Absolutely. Absolutely.

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別讓美方知道
-And don't tell the Americans.

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－你在胡扯什么  －不然要怎么說 
-What are you talking about? What are we going to tell them?

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跟你報備一下 啥事都沒發生
"Hello. Nothing has happened, and we, we just wanted you to know."

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美國會怎么看待 我方干涉中東事務 
Do you know what their government will do to ours if we're caught meddling in the Middle East?

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美國一介入還有辦法保密嗎 
Mona, how are we going to keep things hidden if the Americans are involved?

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外交事務不是你的長才
Okay, this is a diplomatic issue, darling, which is none of your concern.

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塔瑞說的對
-I agree with Terje.

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既然要冒險 就放手一搏
If we are going to take a risk, let's take a risk.

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太好了
Okay.

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放手一搏吧
So...Here we go.

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塔瑞 萬一出事失敗了
Terje, if this fails...

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親愛的 我們依計劃行事
-If this goes wrong-- -Darling, we have a plan now,

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行不通的話就臨場應變
and if it goes wrong, then we'll improvise.

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我們可是賭上了人生
Our lives will be ruined.

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你懂嗎 
Do you understand?

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我懂
Yes, I do.

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但我們有大好機會
But we have a chance now.

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大局很有可能扭轉
A real chance to make a difference.

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不管雙方發生什么事
Whatever happens between them,

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我們都不可以介入
we will not interfere.

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－要是有人覺得我們偏袒 －親愛的 我不會這樣
If we are seen by anyone as favoring one side over the oth-- -Darling, I would never do such a thing.

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我要你說出來
Then say it.

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我方負責起頭 僅此而已
We will facilitate, and facilitate only.

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快說
Say it.

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我方負責起頭
We will facilitate.

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僅此而已
Only.

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我方負責起頭 僅此而已
We will facilitate, and facilitate...only.

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謝謝你
Thank you.

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＂１９９３年１月＂

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那些檢查護照的狗官員
Your bastards of immigration with their,

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叫我閉嘴 乖乖排隊
"Stand in that line and shut your mouth, and do as you are told."

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當我是賣內衣的啊
Like I am some underwear merchant!

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真對不起‥沒事
Uh, sorry. I'm sorry. Everything's fine. It's all right.

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沒關系 一點小誤會而已
It's all right. Everything's fine. It's just a little--little mix-up.

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對不起 事情出了錯
I'm so sorry. That wasn't, um, wasn't part of the, the plan.

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你們直接應該通關 不受盤問
You should have been sent straight through, no, no questions asked.

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你好 我來拿行李吧
Hello. Let me, let me, let me, let me take your bag.

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還行吧 
All right?

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旅程順利嗎 
Good trip?

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好了
Okay.

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沒有接送車隊嗎 
There is no motorcade?

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沒有 就我一個人
No. Just me.

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拉森先生
Mr. Larsen,

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我們搭經濟艙飛了那么遠
we have flown across the world in the seating of the coach.

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我懂 但這樣最理想
I know, gentlemen, but this is the best way.

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相信我
Trust me.

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來
All right.

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抱歉
Ooh! Sorry.

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好了 出發吧
Right. Let's go.

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＂伯瑞格莊園＂

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＂挪威 薩普斯堡＂

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巴勒斯坦解放組織的代表
From the Palestinian Liberation Organization,

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是阿赫麥庫賴
Mr. Ahmed Qurie,

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＂巴解聯絡官＂ 以及哈珊艾斯佛
and his associate, Mr. Hassan Asfour.

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至于海法大學一方
And from the University of Haifa,

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則有亞爾赫希菲德教授
Professor Yair Hirschfeld,

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和朗恩彭達克教授
and his associate, Professor Ron Pundak.

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你好
Hello.

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你也好
And, hello.

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這棟莊嚴的會館頗有歷史淵源
This regal and historic guest house

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八百年前 在這塊建地上
is built on the very site where 800 years ago,

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圣奧拉夫一磚一瓦親手打造宮殿
St. Olaf himself erected his castle, stone by stone,

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一邊爭取挪威建國
as he strove to make Norway a nation.

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奧拉夫王后來遇害
And your Olaf was killed,

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城堡也遭土石流摧毀
and his castle destroyed in a landslide.

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沒錯 謝謝你
Yes, thank you.

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感謝賜教
Thank you.

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不知道你們覺得如何
Much appreciated.

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天啊 我覺得這里很冷
I don't know about the rest of you, but...my God, I find it cold here.

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再冷也比不過猶太復國主義軍隊
Not as cold as the hearts of your jack-booted Zionist soldiers

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無情屠殺加薩地區的子女
as they break the bones of the sons and daughters of Gaza.

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再次感謝您賜教
Again, thank you. Much appreciated.

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各位蒞臨此地
Gentlemen, you are here because you know

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必然深知雙方不能繼續征戰
that you and your people cannot go on as you have.

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個人情感必須擺一邊
That whatever you personally feel,

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找出下一步才是正途
you want to find the way forward.

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說幾句話吧 阿布阿拉
So, tell me, Abu Ala--

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我的名字是阿赫麥庫賴
Ahmed Qurie. I am Ahmed Qurie!

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－但朋友都叫你阿布阿拉 －你聽好了
-But your friends call you Abu Ala, yes? -Listen--

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在這里 大家都是朋友
While here, here, we are all friends.

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只要人在這里
And while we are here together,

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這個規則就不容打破
that must be our one unbreakable rule.

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請各位跟我來
Now please, follow me.

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房門關起來后
In that room, when the door is closed,

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四位就直接開始談
you four will talk,

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一言不合或更糟的都可能發生
you'll disagree, worse.

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但出了房門后要一起用餐
But out here, we'll share our meals.

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聊聊家人 建立交情
We'll talk of our families. We'll light the fire.

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因為唯有分享私事
Because it's only in the sharing of the personal

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才能真正認識彼此
that we can see each other for who we truly are.

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我‥我們接受這個條件
I, uh... we...accept your rule, and, uh,

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也愿意試試看
we are willing to try.

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（阿語）我們回去吧

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（阿語）去留由我決定

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（阿語）中間人不公正 我不相信他

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－（阿語）冷靜一點 －（阿語）我們需要‥

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（阿語）既來之則安之 請冷靜

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（阿語）也許結果不錯 好嗎

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雙方人民之間有一道鴻溝
Between our peoples lies a vast ocean.

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此前企圖跨越鴻溝的人
Those who have tried to cross before us

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不是折返 就是滅頂了
have turned back, or drowned.

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我們要率先踏上對岸
Let us be the first to step upon the other's shore.

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很好
Good.

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預祝一切順利
Good luck.

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全靠我們談嗎 
You mean... it is to be just us?

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我會在房外盡力幫忙
Out here, I will do all that you ask,

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但進了門 我便愛莫能助
but in there, I cannot help you.

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你們得一起搞定
Only you, together, can do this.

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你覺得如何 
So what do you think?

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哈珊艾斯佛 若沒趁大家睡著時殺了我們
I think if Hassan Asfour doesn't kill us in our sleep,

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就算奇跡了
it will be a miracle.

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好 謝謝

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不行 他們得面對面坐著
No, no, no, no. They must be facing each other.

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我要的東西備齊了嗎 
Good. Did you get what I asked for?

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招牌威士忌 有
The Johnny Walker Black. Ja.

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準備了幾瓶 
-How many bottles?

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四瓶
-Four.

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可能要四箱才夠
We'll need four cases.

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塔瑞 別這樣
-Terje, no!

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晚餐呢 
-What about dinner?

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前菜是鯡魚

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鯡魚 很好
Herring. Good.

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－再來是小面點 －太棒了
Excellent.

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還有鼠尾草烤豬肉
And roasted pork stuffed with sage--

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不行‥絕對不行
-Oh, no! No, no, no. No. Out of the question.

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－我已經備好菜了 －主餐吃魚吧
-I've already prepared the dish-- -Serve some fish.

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鮭魚怎么樣 
Fish, yes? Salmon. Salmon, yes? -Good. Just do it.

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－拉森先生 －照做就是了 好嗎 
-Mr. Larsen--Yes?

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－好吧 －很好 謝謝你
- Okay. - Thank you. Thank you.

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我得致電突尼斯 聯絡領導人
I must speak with the chairman in Tunis.

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這邊請
Follow me, sir. If you would.

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他們開口要加薩
They say they will take Gaza.

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要以軍全面撤出加薩
They propose Israel withdraw all forces from Gaza.

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該區交還巴勒斯坦人自治
That the territory will be turned over to the Palestinians, who will govern it themselves.

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天啊 只要從加薩撤軍
My God. To be able to pull out of Gaza,

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巴勒斯坦反抗運動就能終結
that would end the Intifada!

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但對方還有其他想法
They, they, they want to go even further!

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帶來共同聲明的大綱
They've brought an outline for a declaration of principles

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逐一列出彼此的分歧
that spells out precisely the issues between us

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雙方都想談的問題
that both sides agree to address.

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我該怎么做才好 
What should I do?

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－很簡單 你就‥ －塔瑞
Well, it's, it's easy, Yair. You just, you-- -Terje.

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我不方便說什么
That's not for me to say.

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亞爾 你不必靠人指引
Yair, trust that you need no road map.

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出路自然會浮現
The way will show itself.

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那句話蠢死了
That is completely fucking stupid.

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阿布阿拉 你的杯子空了
Abu Ala. His glass is empty.

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謝謝你 托莉
Thank you, Toril.

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酒還不錯吧 
It's good wine, yes?

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晚餐很好吃 謝謝
Dinner is excellent.

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沒錯 謝謝
Yes, it is. Thank you.

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哈珊 你幾乎都沒吃
But Hassan, you've barely touched your food.

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哈珊是加薩人
Hassan is from Gaza,

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當地人都是漁民
where they are all fishermen,

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卻看到魚就想吐
but hate the sight of fish.

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外長問你的去向時該怎么回答 
What am I supposed to tell our foreign minister when he asks where you are?

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跟他說我有家事
Tell him it's a family issue.

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揚恩 會談進展比預期還快
Jan, things are moving faster than we expected.

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我得留下來
I have to stay.

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夠了‥拉森
No more, Larsen. No more!

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我一口也喝不下了
I couldn't possibly have another sip.

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00:31:57,920 --> 00:32:01,670
我也是 一滴也喝不下了
Yes, Terje. No more for me, too. Not even one drop.

355
00:32:01,750 --> 00:32:02,790
輪到誰了 
Okay, who's next?

356
00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:04,460
阿布阿拉 說說你的父親
Abu Ala, what about your father?

357
00:32:04,550 --> 00:32:07,010
輪到你了 說吧
Yes, it's your turn. Tell us.

358
00:32:07,090 --> 00:32:11,430
他生于耶路撒冷旁的村莊
He was born in a village just outside Jerusalem.

359
00:32:12,890 --> 00:32:16,640
我小時候會跟他進老城
As a child, he would take me to the Old City,

360
00:32:16,730 --> 00:32:19,850
一磚一瓦都有故事
where the very stones speak to you.

361
00:32:20,690 --> 00:32:24,230
我們沿著蜿蜒巷道步行
Through the winding streets we would go,

362
00:32:24,320 --> 00:32:28,820
然后柳暗花明 老城就在眼前
until we would emerge and stand before it.

363
00:32:28,900 --> 00:32:33,080
父親會說 看啊
Then he would say,

364
00:32:33,160 --> 00:32:38,120
阿赫麥 那就是阿克薩清真寺
"There. There, Ahmed. That is the al-Aqsa mosque.

365
00:32:38,210 --> 00:32:40,920
耶路撒冷的心臟
"The beating heart of Jerusalem.

366
00:32:41,630 --> 00:32:44,460
無論身在何處
"Wherever you go, boy,

367
00:32:44,540 --> 00:32:48,920
都要把清真寺和這座城
"you must always hold it, and this city,

368
00:32:49,550 --> 00:32:51,050
放在心上
"here.

369
00:32:51,970 --> 00:32:56,260
因為你的家永遠在這里
For it will always be your home."

370
00:33:03,270 --> 00:33:04,480
最后輪到‥
And finally...

371
00:33:06,230 --> 00:33:07,360
哈珊
Hassan.

372
00:33:09,190 --> 00:33:14,160
中產階級家庭的雞毛蒜皮小事
The, uh, petty bourgeois construct of family

373
00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:15,910
我沒興趣
does not interest me.

374
00:33:16,580 --> 00:33:20,460
對抗西方資本主義強權
The struggle against the Western capitalist behemoth...

375
00:33:22,540 --> 00:33:24,170
對我來說才算父親
That is my father.

376
00:33:30,170 --> 00:33:33,090
我受夠他盡講些尖酸刻薄的話了
That's it. No more sourpuss from him.

377
00:33:33,640 --> 00:33:34,970
我來說個笑話
Right. I have a joke.

378
00:33:35,050 --> 00:33:37,260
－朗恩 －放心 保證好笑
-Ron. -No, it's good. It's good.

379
00:33:38,350 --> 00:33:40,770
國際刑警組織 美國情報局
Interpol, the CIA,

380
00:33:40,850 --> 00:33:44,480
和以色列情報局在追捕兔子
and the Mossad, are chasing a rabbit.

381
00:33:45,270 --> 00:33:47,440
一路追到林邊
They go to the edge of the forest.

382
00:33:47,520 --> 00:33:49,480
國際刑警組織搜遍森林
Interpol searches the forest,

383
00:33:49,570 --> 00:33:51,610
找不到兔子
but they can find no rabbit.

384
00:33:51,700 --> 00:33:53,660
美國情報局燒了森林
The CIA burns down the forest,

385
00:33:53,740 --> 00:33:55,990
也找不到兔子
but still, no rabbit.

386
00:33:56,070 --> 00:34:01,250
以色列情報局要了卅分鐘
Then Mossad says, "Give us 30 minutes."

387
00:34:01,870 --> 00:34:03,750
走進樹林半小時后
They go in. Half-hour later,

388
00:34:03,830 --> 00:34:06,420
抓了一只大灰熊出來
they come out with a grizzly bear in a headlock,

389
00:34:06,500 --> 00:34:10,170
熊的脖子上了枷鎖 鼻青臉腫
with a broken nose and a black eye,

390
00:34:10,260 --> 00:34:11,920
大灰熊喊著
and the bear is yelling--

391
00:34:12,010 --> 00:34:15,220
好啦 我是兔子‥
-"Okay, I'm a rabbit! I'm a rabbit!" -"I'm a rabbit!"

392
00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:19,220
酸葡萄兄也覺得好笑
Oh, Mr. Lenin likes the joke!

393
00:34:24,600 --> 00:34:26,230
我也來說個笑話
I want to tell a joke.

394
00:34:27,480 --> 00:34:29,940
有個人結婚了四十年
A man is married 40 years.

395
00:34:30,030 --> 00:34:32,780
后來妻子過世了
Then, his wife, she dies.

396
00:34:32,860 --> 00:34:35,910
在喪禮及吊唁結束后
After the funeral, after all are gone,

397
00:34:35,990 --> 00:34:39,370
他獨自坐在家里
he sits alone in his house.

398
00:34:39,450 --> 00:34:43,210
四周盡是孤獨的陰影
The shadow of loneliness falls upon him.

399
00:34:43,290 --> 00:34:46,710
他獨自泣訴
In his solitude, he cries out,

400
00:34:46,790 --> 00:34:49,670
＂我無依無靠＂
"I am all alone!

401
00:34:49,750 --> 00:34:52,010
＂現在該怎么辦 ＂
"What will I do now?

402
00:34:52,090 --> 00:34:53,590
＂我沒了老婆＂
"I have no wife!

403
00:34:53,670 --> 00:34:56,590
＂沒有人指揮我做事＂
"No-- No one to tell me what to do!

404
00:34:56,680 --> 00:34:59,760
＂沒有人教我怎么說話了＂
No one to tell me what to say..."

405
00:35:04,730 --> 00:35:06,310
＂只剩我了嗎 ＂
"I am all alone.

406
00:35:08,150 --> 00:35:12,780
＂就只剩我了＂
"I am all alone. I am all alo-- I, I, I am all alone! All alone! I am all alone!"

407
00:35:13,490 --> 00:35:15,280
他看來很像阿拉法特
He looks like Arafat! No...

408
00:35:15,360 --> 00:35:18,370
阿拉法特在電視上的手勢很夸張
Crazy Arafat gestures on TV!

409
00:35:18,990 --> 00:35:20,830
不許侮辱領導人
Do not insult the chairman.

410
00:35:20,910 --> 00:35:22,620
侮辱他就等于侮辱我們
You insult the chairman, you insult us!

411
00:35:22,700 --> 00:35:24,540
阿布阿拉 開玩笑而已
Abu Ala, I didn't mean-- It was a joke--

412
00:35:24,620 --> 00:35:26,920
你以為我們只有私人身份嗎 
You think we are just here as us?

413
00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:28,420
我們是他的代表
We are the head and arms of him!

414
00:35:28,500 --> 00:35:29,710
朋友 拜托別激動
Friends, please, please, please, please.

415
00:35:29,790 --> 00:35:33,420
我們代表了他
We are the head and arms of him!

416
00:35:35,420 --> 00:35:37,680
－好了‥別激動 －他開玩笑而已
Please, please!

417
00:35:41,350 --> 00:35:43,600
侮辱我的名譽者死
We will bury you before you take our honor--

418
00:35:43,680 --> 00:35:46,640
松餅上桌了
I have brought waffles.

419
00:35:49,100 --> 00:35:52,770
我最愛的人來了
Oh! There she is. The one I love is here.

420
00:35:53,480 --> 00:35:57,990
各位請坐
Please. Uh, please. Sit, gentlemen. Sit. Sit.

421
00:35:59,660 --> 00:36:04,410
松餅的食譜傳承自家母
This is the waffle recipe of my mother,

422
00:36:04,490 --> 00:36:06,870
她又是跟母親學的
passed down from her mother.

423
00:36:06,960 --> 00:36:10,000
簡單卻到位
It is simple, but precise.

424
00:36:10,670 --> 00:36:14,420
材料是香草 糖
Vanilla, sugar...

425
00:36:15,210 --> 00:36:19,220
－奶油 白脫牛奶 －謝謝
Butter...Buttermilk...

426
00:36:20,470 --> 00:36:22,050
面粉
Flour...

427
00:36:22,140 --> 00:36:26,350
還有秘密武器 豆蔻
And the secret is the cardamom.

428
00:36:27,520 --> 00:36:29,140
上桌之后
For the serving,

429
00:36:29,230 --> 00:36:34,320
先鋪平鮮奶油和覆盆子
first you spread the whipped cream and the raspberry,

430
00:36:34,820 --> 00:36:37,530
就可以吃了
and then you eat.

431
00:36:39,320 --> 00:36:40,570
好

432
00:36:53,290 --> 00:36:55,920
非常美味‥
Good. Very good. Excellent.

433
00:36:56,000 --> 00:36:57,880
（阿語）謝謝你

434
00:36:58,510 --> 00:37:00,550
－（希語）謝謝你 －（希語）謝謝你才對

435
00:37:00,630 --> 00:37:04,350
－（希語） －有夠好吃 謝謝
Very, very good. Thank you.

436
00:37:07,430 --> 00:37:10,140
我提議
I propose...

437
00:37:12,690 --> 00:37:19,190
大家都明白 有些議題和人物
that we agree that there are certain subjects--people--

438
00:37:20,150 --> 00:37:25,620
在會談中不準討論
we do not discuss, just as when we are in there.

439
00:37:28,330 --> 00:37:32,290
某些底線不能踩
Red lines. Which we do not cross.

440
00:37:32,960 --> 00:37:34,290
沒錯
Yes.

441
00:37:34,380 --> 00:37:37,420
但在這里 大家都是朋友
Here, let us be friends.

442
00:38:19,960 --> 00:38:22,880
把內容打在法弗專用信箋上
Type everything up on these.

443
00:38:22,970 --> 00:38:26,390
萬一有人泄密
This way, if either side leaks it,

444
00:38:27,050 --> 00:38:30,560
另一造就能主張官方并未涉足
the other can claim the entire thing is an unofficial idea

445
00:38:30,640 --> 00:38:33,270
條款純由你的智庫編造
concocted by your organization.

446
00:38:42,400 --> 00:38:45,450
＂原則聲明 初稿＂

447
00:38:49,410 --> 00:38:52,790
＂領地與治安等合作議題未決＂

448
00:40:30,260 --> 00:40:32,470
＂原則聲明 第三版＂

449
00:40:36,930 --> 00:40:38,100
＂原則聲明 第七版＂

450
00:40:44,820 --> 00:40:48,240
＂原則聲明 第九版＂

451
00:40:48,320 --> 00:40:51,110
感謝各位愿意參與
Gentlemen, thank you

452
00:40:51,200 --> 00:40:54,450
這場初步協商對談
for your willingness to take part in these first few steps.

453
00:40:55,160 --> 00:40:57,200
請確認行李都已帶走
Uh, make sure you've left nothing behind. No traces.

454
00:40:57,290 --> 00:41:00,330
別留下蛛絲馬跡‥太好了
Yes? Good, good, good.

455
00:41:00,420 --> 00:41:01,710
＂原則聲明＂

456
00:41:02,540 --> 00:41:07,300
這是最新版原則聲明
So, here are the copies of the new DOP.

457
00:41:08,800 --> 00:41:13,180
請務必妥善保存
And for God sake, guard them with your life.

458
00:41:14,010 --> 00:41:16,510
臨走前還有件正事要說
One last order of business before you go.

459
00:41:16,600 --> 00:41:18,890
今后講電話時
When we're speaking on the phone from now on,

460
00:41:18,980 --> 00:41:22,190
以色列的代稱是＂小國＂
we'll refer to Israel as "the little country."

461
00:41:23,100 --> 00:41:25,820
拉賓總理是＂祖父＂
Prime Minister Rabin will be "the grandfather."

462
00:41:25,900 --> 00:41:27,690
裴瑞斯外長是＂父親＂
Shimon Peres, "the father."

463
00:41:27,780 --> 00:41:29,650
尤西貝林是＂兒子＂
Yossi Beilin, "the son."

464
00:41:29,740 --> 00:41:33,030
巴解的代稱則是＂對岸＂
The PLO we'll call "those across the sea."

465
00:41:33,110 --> 00:41:36,410
領導人阿拉法特當然是＂祖父＂
Chairman Arafat will be "the grandfather," of course, also.

466
00:41:36,490 --> 00:41:38,580
至于阿布阿拉
And Abu Ala, uh...

467
00:41:42,710 --> 00:41:44,040
叫＂潘托福＂
"Puntoffle."

468
00:41:44,750 --> 00:41:45,840
什么 
What?

469
00:41:46,670 --> 00:41:50,380
就是意第緒語的拖鞋一詞
It means "slipper," Abu Ala, in Yiddish.

470
00:41:53,720 --> 00:41:58,640
你們比我想的還要奇怪
You are an even stranger people than I imagined.

471
00:41:58,720 --> 00:42:01,850
－好了 －待會見
All right. -I'll see you at home. -Okay.

472
00:42:10,070 --> 00:42:12,820
愿你們一路順風
May your travels be safe.

473
00:42:14,200 --> 00:42:15,530
你們也是
And yours.

474
00:42:24,830 --> 00:42:29,170
你是我認識的第一個猶太人
You are my first...Jew.

475
00:42:32,760 --> 00:42:36,090
希望我沒那么難以下咽
I hope I was not too stringy.

476
00:42:36,890 --> 00:42:38,300
是有點
A bit.

477
00:42:40,560 --> 00:42:43,100
至少比魚好吃
But still better than fish.

478
00:43:10,920 --> 00:43:13,340
一路順風 朋友們
Fly well, friends. Be safe.

479
00:43:17,760 --> 00:43:20,140
我們跟那兩人沒有后續談判空間
With those two, we can go no further.

480
00:43:20,220 --> 00:43:23,270
接下來得直接跟以色列政府談
We must deal directly with the Israeli government.

481
00:43:23,350 --> 00:43:25,810
請尤西貝林提升對話層級
Tell Yossi Beilin it's time to upgrade,

482
00:43:26,440 --> 00:43:27,940
否則不必再談了
or this is over.

483
00:43:32,190 --> 00:43:35,070
尤西 雙方才談個兩天
Yossi, the progress that was made

484
00:43:35,150 --> 00:43:36,530
進展就出乎預期
in one two-day meeting, it's beyond imagination,

485
00:43:36,610 --> 00:43:39,490
巴方也愿意再回來談
and the Palestinians have told me they want to return.

486
00:43:39,570 --> 00:43:40,870
那很好
Excellent.

487
00:43:41,530 --> 00:43:45,910
以色列也該提升代表層級了吧 
So you must see it's time now to upgrade the Israeli delegation, yes?

488
00:43:46,000 --> 00:43:47,290
提高層級 
Upgrade?

489
00:43:48,920 --> 00:43:52,460
塔瑞 以色列根本沒有官方代表
Terje, Israel has no delegation to upgrade.

490
00:43:52,550 --> 00:43:53,710
想想對方的立場吧
Look at it from the other side.

491
00:43:53,800 --> 00:43:57,220
這些巴解官員可是在冒死和談
These are ministers from the PLO who are risking their lives.

492
00:43:57,300 --> 00:43:59,760
我身為以色列的外交副長
Which as deputy foreign minister of the State of Israel

493
00:43:59,840 --> 00:44:01,930
不該考量這件事
is none of my concern.

494
00:44:02,010 --> 00:44:03,470
但我們總得釋出善意
We've got to give them something.

495
00:44:03,560 --> 00:44:07,060
至少能說裴瑞斯外長支持吧 
Can I least tell them that Peres is behind this?

496
00:44:12,110 --> 00:44:13,480
他不知情嗎 
He doesn't know?

497
00:44:15,740 --> 00:44:19,820
但你告訴過我‥
What-- But you--

498
00:44:19,910 --> 00:44:21,620
我告訴過你什么 
-You told me-- -I told you what?

499
00:44:21,700 --> 00:44:24,330
塔瑞 有人跟你說話時
Terje, when people talk to you,

500
00:44:24,410 --> 00:44:27,370
要注意聽對方在說什么
you should really pay attention to what they actually say.

501
00:44:27,460 --> 00:44:30,670
不能只接收自己想聽的訊息
And not just listen for whatever you want to hear.

502
00:44:32,420 --> 00:44:38,720
我若研判有事要讓外長知情
If and when something occurs that I deem worthy enough to bring to the foreign minister's attention,

503
00:44:38,800 --> 00:44:41,010
他自然會知道
then he will know.

504
00:44:41,090 --> 00:44:45,060
目前為止 我一人知道就夠了
For now, I and I alone know.

505
00:44:47,350 --> 00:44:50,270
我原本擔心巴解瞞著上頭硬干
Here I was worried the Palestinians are running a rogue operation.

506
00:44:50,350 --> 00:44:51,980
結果是以色列人在亂來
-It turns out it's the fucking Israelis. -Yes.

507
00:44:52,060 --> 00:44:55,110
情況比預想中復雜
Well, things are a bit more complicated than we thought.

508
00:44:55,190 --> 00:44:57,570
還復雜呢 開什么玩笑 
Complicated? Are you serious?

509
00:44:58,110 --> 00:45:00,990
你們說過裴瑞斯知情
Mona, you told me that Peres was on board.

510
00:45:01,070 --> 00:45:03,120
現在貝林卻否認
And now Beilin is saying the opposite.

511
00:45:03,200 --> 00:45:07,120
聽好 我跟你們一樣想要幫忙
Look, I want to help as much as you do.

512
00:45:07,200 --> 00:45:09,040
但我們是政府官員
But we are government officials

513
00:45:09,120 --> 00:45:11,870
可能遭控勾吉他國官員
who could now be accused of conspiring with another government's official.

514
00:45:11,960 --> 00:45:15,840
下場可能是解雇 坐牢或更慘
We...We could be fired. Jailed. Worse.

515
00:45:15,920 --> 00:45:18,420
等一下 也許我們沒想通
Wait. Wait. What if we're missing something?

516
00:45:20,260 --> 00:45:21,680
我們沒告知外長
We're not telling Holst,

517
00:45:21,760 --> 00:45:24,260
是為了保護他與外交部
in order to protect him and the ministry.

518
00:45:25,010 --> 00:45:27,100
貝林的動機也許一樣
What if Beilin is just doing the same?

519
00:45:28,180 --> 00:45:30,060
裴瑞斯一旦獲知
Look, the moment he tells Peres,

520
00:45:30,140 --> 00:45:32,060
就得報告拉賓總理
Peres will have to tell Prime Minister Rabin,

521
00:45:32,150 --> 00:45:33,900
談判就成了官方事務
and then things will become official.

522
00:45:33,980 --> 00:45:37,900
如此一來 密談就沒戲唱了
And once they're official, then this whole channel is over.

523
00:45:39,150 --> 00:45:43,610
只要裴瑞斯不知情
So, as long as Peres remains in the dark,

524
00:45:43,700 --> 00:45:46,780
貝林就能繼續推動協商
then Beilin can keep pushing the process forward.

525
00:45:47,950 --> 00:45:49,830
看能談到什么地步
See how far things go.

526
00:45:52,960 --> 00:45:54,290
原來如此
Oh. I see.

527
00:45:57,420 --> 00:46:00,720
就繼續安排看看吧 
So then we push on. Right?

528
00:46:06,180 --> 00:46:07,890
再召開一次會議
One more meeting.

529
00:46:07,970 --> 00:46:10,350
不準張揚 要保密
Discreet. Under wraps.

530
00:46:12,020 --> 00:46:15,610
以方層級要提高 否則沒搞頭
But Mona, we need an upgrade from the Israeli delegation, or this won't work.

531
00:46:17,190 --> 00:46:18,980
我知道
Yeah, I know.

532
00:46:19,070 --> 00:46:23,240
由于以巴暴力沖突日趨惡化
In response to the escalating violence between Israeli and Palestinian civilians,

533
00:46:23,320 --> 00:46:26,320
拉賓總理下令封鎖加沙地帶
Prime Minister Rabin has sealed Gaza. On one hand,

534
00:46:26,780 --> 00:46:30,950
我們雖然希望加薩居民 能在以色列工作
we would like the Gazans to work in Israel,

535
00:46:31,040 --> 00:46:37,340
否則他們無法維生
because otherwise, they don't have any source of income to sustain themselves.

536
00:46:37,420 --> 00:46:38,460
但另一方面
At the same time,

537
00:46:38,540 --> 00:46:42,260
我必須保護以色列人民
I am responsible for the security of the people of Israel.

538
00:46:42,800 --> 00:46:47,180
關鍵在于兩害相權取其輕
And how to mitigate between the two, this is the key problem.

539
00:46:48,050 --> 00:46:49,430
老天爺 塔瑞
For God's sake, Terje,

540
00:46:49,510 --> 00:46:52,060
我國人民當街遇害
our people are being murdered in the streets!

541
00:46:52,140 --> 00:46:54,890
祖父若不封鎖邊界
If our grandfather did not close the border,

542
00:46:54,980 --> 00:46:57,440
－位子就坐不住了 －尤西 我了解
-he would have been hounded from office. -Yossi-- Yossi, I understand.

543
00:46:57,520 --> 00:46:59,270
不但了解也能同理
I more than understand. I empathize.

544
00:46:59,360 --> 00:47:01,780
但對岸很堅持
But those across the sea are emphatic.

545
00:47:01,860 --> 00:47:05,200
小國必須提升談判代表層級
They say the little country must upgrade their delegation.

546
00:47:05,280 --> 00:47:06,570
告訴潘托福
You tell Puntoffle that when he puts

547
00:47:06,660 --> 00:47:09,280
先拿出夠看的條件上桌
something on the table of substance,

548
00:47:09,370 --> 00:47:11,160
他們的請求才有得談
then we will consider his request.

549
00:47:11,240 --> 00:47:12,580
但他們并非‥
But they are not--

550
00:47:15,460 --> 00:47:18,290
拉森‥ 
Larsen? Larsen?

551
00:47:18,790 --> 00:47:20,170
他們怎么說 
What do they say?

552
00:47:20,250 --> 00:47:23,630
潘托福 兒子請我恭敬轉達
Puntoffle, hello. The son, uh, wishes me to respectfully inform you

553
00:47:23,710 --> 00:47:28,010
只要你們展現具體誠意
that, uh, when a more substantial offer is put forth,

554
00:47:28,090 --> 00:47:32,430
他們就會考慮提升談判代表層級
uh, your request for, uh, an upgrade, uh, will be considered.

555
00:47:34,390 --> 00:47:36,690
去死 他這個死混蛋
Fuck him! He's a fucking bastard!

556
00:47:36,770 --> 00:47:39,310
我們都幫忙處理加薩問題了
We have offered to take Gaza off their hands!

557
00:47:39,400 --> 00:47:43,150
冒死談判的也是我們
We are the ones whose lives hang in the balance!

558
00:47:43,230 --> 00:47:46,740
他們不升級 我也不談了
They will not upgrade, so I will not return.

559
00:47:46,820 --> 00:47:48,820
－他們會升級 －塔瑞
They will upgrade.

560
00:47:48,910 --> 00:47:50,120
是嗎 
They will?

561
00:47:50,200 --> 00:47:51,240
－對 －要派誰 
Uh, yeah. Who are they sending?

562
00:47:51,330 --> 00:47:54,450
－你在干嘛  －細節不清楚 但他們愿意升級
-What are you doing? -I don't know the details yet, but, but an upgrade is coming.

563
00:47:54,540 --> 00:47:55,790
你怎么知道 
How do you know this?

564
00:47:59,040 --> 00:48:00,460
莫娜說的
Uh, Mona told me.

565
00:48:00,540 --> 00:48:03,380
－什么  －她去見了小國的兒子
-What? -She's met with the son from the little country,

566
00:48:03,460 --> 00:48:06,220
要求對方保證 你們若愿意再談
and she made him promise that if you return to Oslo,

567
00:48:06,300 --> 00:48:08,890
他們就提升代表層級 千真萬確
then they'll send an upgrade. Guaranteed.

568
00:48:09,640 --> 00:48:10,890
莫娜當真做了嗎 
Mona has done this?

569
00:48:10,970 --> 00:48:12,010
對
-Yeah.

570
00:48:13,260 --> 00:48:17,520
拉森 你要用妻子的靈魂起誓
Swear it to me, Larsen. On the soul of your wife.

571
00:48:17,600 --> 00:48:21,110
我用妻子的＂疑問＂起誓
I swear on the soul of my wife.

572
00:48:25,690 --> 00:48:27,240
請你相信我
You've got to trust me.

573
00:48:27,320 --> 00:48:29,320
我相信莫娜
I trust Mona.

574
00:48:29,410 --> 00:48:31,490
你少了她就啥也辦不成
Without her, you are nothing.

575
00:48:32,160 --> 00:48:33,580
去訂機票吧
Book the flight.

576
00:48:34,540 --> 00:48:35,580
謝謝你
Thank you.

577
00:48:53,930 --> 00:48:56,270
你知道自己干了什么好事嗎 
Do you have any idea what you have done?

578
00:48:57,270 --> 00:49:00,310
我明明辦不到 你還答應別人
You have promised something I cannot do.

579
00:49:01,480 --> 00:49:02,520
尤西會提升層級
-But Yossi will upgrade.

580
00:49:02,610 --> 00:49:04,520
－你怎么知道  －他就是會
-How do you know that? -Because, Mona. He will.

581
00:49:04,610 --> 00:49:06,400
你根本沒回答
-That's not an answer, Terje.

582
00:49:06,480 --> 00:49:10,320
親愛的 你回顧現有成果吧
Okay, darling, just look at all we've achieved.

583
00:49:10,400 --> 00:49:11,950
你這一亂搞就毀了
That you have now jeopardized by your recklessness.

584
00:49:12,030 --> 00:49:14,530
－百年來的仇恨廝殺 －我們說好了 你卻置之不理
By your total disregard of everything we agreed to. A hundred years of hatred

585
00:49:14,620 --> 00:49:15,740
眼看就要有轉機
and bloodshed teetering on the cusp of change.

586
00:49:15,830 --> 00:49:17,200
我們得不計代價來促成
We've gotta do whatever it takes.

587
00:49:17,290 --> 00:49:19,870
但也不可以說謊 塔瑞
Except lying to them, Terje!

588
00:49:19,960 --> 00:49:21,920
無能的半吊子才會撒謊
-Only a bungling amateur lies.

589
00:49:22,000 --> 00:49:25,090
天啊 你的挪威性格真根深柢固
-Oh, God. You are so fucking Norwegian!

590
00:49:25,170 --> 00:49:29,340
遇到什么都有問題 全得反對
Everything is a fucking problem. Everything is an objection!

591
00:49:29,420 --> 00:49:31,260
我日以繼夜跟他們通話
I am on the phone with them day and night,

592
00:49:31,340 --> 00:49:32,930
奮戰不屈
fighting to stay on my feet,

593
00:49:33,010 --> 00:49:35,720
你卻只要我投降
and all you want me to do is sink to my fucking knees!

594
00:49:35,810 --> 00:49:37,600
一切都結束了 塔瑞
This is finished, Terje.

595
00:49:41,100 --> 00:49:42,520
結束了
It's finished.

596
00:49:52,910 --> 00:49:54,910
但眼前還有一條活路
Unless we do one thing.

597
00:50:00,040 --> 00:50:01,080
是什么 
What?

598
00:50:02,670 --> 00:50:04,750
跟霍斯特外長報告現況
Tell Holst what we are doing.

599
00:50:06,170 --> 00:50:08,880
不行 霍斯特是自大狂
-No. No, Mona. He's a megalomaniac.

600
00:50:08,960 --> 00:50:14,390
對 我們正好能利用他的自大
-Yes. And now, that megalomaniac is exactly what we need.

601
00:50:15,760 --> 00:50:18,100
霍斯特向來堅持到底
Holst does nothing in half measures.

602
00:50:18,180 --> 00:50:19,680
只要能說服他
If we can convince him,

603
00:50:19,770 --> 00:50:22,690
外交部就會傾全力支持
he'll throw the full weight of the ministry behind us.

604
00:50:23,230 --> 00:50:25,060
借此讓以方升高層級
He will help us get that upgrade,

605
00:50:25,730 --> 00:50:28,610
事情就成得了
and then we will make this happen.

606
00:50:33,360 --> 00:50:38,780
你真是有史以來最棒的女人
You...are the most extraordinary woman who has ever lived.

607
00:50:38,870 --> 00:50:39,990
塔瑞 現在沒空
-No, Terje, we don't have time for this.

608
00:50:40,080 --> 00:50:45,330
－文字不足以描述你的好 －塔瑞 別挑現在鬧‥
-There are no words... -Terje, we don't have time for this. to describe how wonderful you are.

609
00:50:45,420 --> 00:50:48,590
夠了 放手‥
-Stop talking. Stop talking.

610
00:50:48,670 --> 00:50:51,880
違反外交慣例實在不可取
The violation of protocol has been totally inappropriate.

611
00:50:51,960 --> 00:50:54,050
－我同意 －天啊 也太冒進了
-I agree. -My God, the risks.

612
00:50:54,130 --> 00:50:56,180
連隨扈也沒安排
Not even a security detail.

613
00:50:56,260 --> 00:50:57,800
拉森提議要這樣
That was Larsen's idea.

614
00:50:57,890 --> 00:51:00,470
深夜租車還自駕
Driving alone, middle of the night. Rental cars.

615
00:51:00,560 --> 00:51:02,350
又是拉森的點子
-Again Larsen. -Mmm.

616
00:51:03,640 --> 00:51:05,390
霍斯特部長
Minister Holst,

617
00:51:05,480 --> 00:51:09,110
＂挪威外交部長＂ 以巴雙方單單一次會談
in but one meeting, the Israelis and ourselves

618
00:51:09,190 --> 00:51:13,190
進展就完全超乎想像
have made progress beyond all hopes.

619
00:51:13,900 --> 00:51:17,240
密談一旦獲得您支持
With your support, our secret channel

620
00:51:17,320 --> 00:51:19,830
就會是一股清流
will continue to feed fresh water

621
00:51:19,910 --> 00:51:23,620
有助華府資助的官方會談
to the official Washington-sponsored talks.

622
00:51:29,250 --> 00:51:33,510
您是貴國最偉大的政治家
You are your nation's greatest statesman.

623
00:51:33,590 --> 00:51:39,890
唯有您能促進以巴雙方長治久安
Only you can move our two peoples towards a true and lasting peace.

624
00:51:50,230 --> 00:51:54,400
往后密談要有兩名菁英隨扈
At all further meetings, there will be an elite, two-man security detail

625
00:51:54,490 --> 00:51:56,200
由我親自挑選
chosen by me.

626
00:51:56,280 --> 00:51:57,530
同意
Agreed.

627
00:51:57,610 --> 00:51:59,450
外交副長揚恩艾格藍
My deputy, Jan Egeland,

628
00:51:59,530 --> 00:52:03,740
－將接替以巴協調人一職 －不行
-will run all further liaisons between the PLO and-- -No!

629
00:52:03,830 --> 00:52:05,870
一定要讓拉森來
It must be Larsen.

630
00:52:05,960 --> 00:52:08,500
他的作法怪歸怪
His ways are strange,

631
00:52:08,580 --> 00:52:10,630
但透過這種方式
but through his methods,

632
00:52:10,710 --> 00:52:14,920
兩個族群真心誠意展開了對談
we have begun a true dialogue between our peoples.

633
00:52:15,010 --> 00:52:18,130
若想成功就非他不可
If we are to succeed, it must be him,

634
00:52:18,220 --> 00:52:22,220
因為他對雙方都說實話
for this one speaks truth to both sides.

635
00:52:22,720 --> 00:52:25,930
他不會說謊
He does not lie.

636
00:52:26,020 --> 00:52:27,560
你會說謊嗎 
-Do you, Larsen?

637
00:52:27,640 --> 00:52:29,100
不會
-No.

638
00:52:30,770 --> 00:52:33,070
謝謝霍斯特部長
Thank you, Minister Holst.

639
00:52:33,150 --> 00:52:35,480
－后會有期 －謝謝
-We will meet again. -Thank you.

640
00:52:35,570 --> 00:52:40,360
＂１９９３年３月＂

641
00:52:53,500 --> 00:52:56,460
－好在又是學界同僚 －教授 幸會
Nice to have another professor with us. Welcome. Hope you enjoyed your flight.

642
00:52:56,550 --> 00:52:58,670
我們深感榮幸
Such a pleasure to meet you. An honor. Truly.

643
00:52:59,550 --> 00:53:01,680
你們的隨扈太顯眼了
Your security detail is calling attention.

644
00:53:01,760 --> 00:53:03,260
叫他們先走
Send them on ahead.

645
00:53:03,350 --> 00:53:05,010
好 抱歉
Yes, um, sorry. Uh...

646
00:53:05,560 --> 00:53:08,520
您需要知道什么細節嗎 
Are there any details you'd like us to brief you on?

647
00:53:08,600 --> 00:53:11,480
眼前的路雖然很長
Obviously, a great distance still to go,

648
00:53:11,560 --> 00:53:13,230
但誠如尤西副長所說
but as you heard from Yossi,

649
00:53:13,310 --> 00:53:16,230
進展相當神速
the progress-- it's been dizzying.

650
00:53:16,320 --> 00:53:17,900
坐下來談吧 
We should be sitting down, ah?

651
00:53:20,780 --> 00:53:22,700
我要去尿尿
I have to take a piss.

652
00:53:26,990 --> 00:53:28,290
＂烏利薩維爾＂

653
00:53:28,370 --> 00:53:32,420
＂以色列 外交部總干事＂

654
00:54:15,460 --> 00:54:18,090
各位 這位是烏利薩維爾
Gentlemen, I'd like to introduce Uri Savir,

655
00:54:18,170 --> 00:54:21,550
以色列外交部總干事
director general of the Israeli Foreign Ministry.

656
00:54:21,630 --> 00:54:25,390
薩維爾先生 見過阿布阿拉
Uri Savir, please meet Abu Ala,

657
00:54:25,470 --> 00:54:27,720
和哈珊艾斯佛
and Hassan Asfour.

658
00:54:30,930 --> 00:54:36,480
我應裴瑞斯之邀 代替他發言
I am here at the personal request and as the voice of Shimon Peres.

659
00:54:42,610 --> 00:54:49,660
我應阿拉法特之邀 代替他發言
And I am here at the personal request and as the voice of Yasser Arafat.

660
00:54:51,830 --> 00:54:53,330
歡迎您來奧斯陸
Welcome to Oslo.

661
00:55:02,670 --> 00:55:04,170
我們開始談吧
Let us begin.

662
00:55:31,660 --> 00:55:34,120
建議提出原則聲明的是你們吧 
The idea of this DOP was yours, yes?

663
00:55:34,200 --> 00:55:36,120
沒錯
Yes, it was.

664
00:55:36,750 --> 00:55:42,460
針對這些具體方針 您有何官方回應 
What is your official response to our concrete proposals there?

665
00:55:43,630 --> 00:55:47,010
我不回應非官方文件
I have no response to an unofficial document.

666
00:55:49,180 --> 00:55:54,560
但我已獲授權 什么都能談
What I have is a mandate to negotiate in full with you.

667
00:55:55,770 --> 00:55:57,560
你們之前在這間會議室里
What you have all done in this room so far

668
00:55:57,640 --> 00:56:00,480
大談和平理念
is discuss the idea of peace.

669
00:56:00,560 --> 00:56:04,150
我來是要磋商實質議和條件
I have been sent here to try and negotiate actual peace.

670
00:56:05,110 --> 00:56:10,530
大家先把丑話說在前頭
So...Let us put our cards on the table.

671
00:56:12,660 --> 00:56:18,920
我國視你們為恐怖份子和殺手
In my country, we see you as terrorists and murderers

672
00:56:19,000 --> 00:56:21,420
打算把我國趕進海里
who wish to drive us into the sea.

673
00:56:24,710 --> 00:56:27,380
你們在慕尼黑奧運屠殺我國選手
You killed our athletes in Munich.

674
00:56:28,130 --> 00:56:31,050
在馬阿洛特屠殺我國學童
Murdered our school children in Ma'alot,

675
00:56:31,720 --> 00:56:35,810
還在贖罪日開戰 造成重大死傷
invaded us and spilled our blood on Yom Kippur,

676
00:56:35,890 --> 00:56:38,980
這可是最神圣的猶太節日
the highest holy day we have.

677
00:56:39,060 --> 00:56:41,110
想必兩位一定能明白
So you will understand when I say

678
00:56:41,190 --> 00:56:46,530
你們并非議和的理想對象
that we do not view you as ideal partners for peace.

679
00:56:50,240 --> 00:56:53,280
我國則視你們為一群蠻人
In my country, we see you as a savage nation,

680
00:56:53,370 --> 00:56:56,540
放任軍隊恣意射殺我方兒童
whose army shoots our children for sport.

681
00:56:58,910 --> 00:57:01,920
猶太人受過宗教迫害
Your people persecuted for your faith--

682
00:57:02,000 --> 00:57:04,130
種族屠殺
murdered in Pogroms,

683
00:57:04,210 --> 00:57:05,920
逃難到巴勒斯坦
fled to Palestine,

684
00:57:06,000 --> 00:57:08,720
我方并未干預你們祈禱
where you were left alone to pray,

685
00:57:08,800 --> 00:57:11,970
討生活 求發展
and strive, and grow strong.

686
00:57:12,050 --> 00:57:13,850
等到你們變強了
And when you became strong,

687
00:57:13,930 --> 00:57:15,720
卻燒掉我們的家園
you burned our homes,

688
00:57:15,810 --> 00:57:18,680
害一百萬巴勒斯坦人流離失所
drove a million people from Palestine,

689
00:57:18,770 --> 00:57:24,270
至今仍不承認巴勒斯坦存在
and claim to this day that there was never such a thing as Palestine!

690
00:57:26,440 --> 00:57:29,150
所以你應該能理解
So, you will understand our mistrust of you

691
00:57:29,240 --> 00:57:34,870
我方覺得難以跟你們和平共存
as ideal partners for peace.

692
00:57:39,750 --> 00:57:45,500
好 現在大家都撂完狠話了
Okay. Now that we've both swung our dicks,

693
00:57:46,340 --> 00:57:48,050
這么說吧
let me say this.

694
00:57:50,470 --> 00:57:53,390
我方已厭倦戰爭
We are tired of being at war with you.

695
00:57:56,560 --> 00:58:00,350
決心終止暴力與敵意的循環
We are committed to ending the cycle of violence and enmity.

696
00:58:00,430 --> 00:58:02,560
但我得聲明
But I want to be clear.

697
00:58:02,640 --> 00:58:05,560
以色列國安絕不容妥協
Israel will not sacrifice its security.

698
00:58:05,650 --> 00:58:08,440
但貴國尋求安寧的唯一法門
And you will never have that security, Mr. Savir,

699
00:58:08,530 --> 00:58:11,950
就是跟我們談和
until you make peace with us.

700
00:58:12,030 --> 00:58:16,950
我們要點頭 鄰國才會承認你們
For our region of the world will never accept you until we accept you.

701
00:58:26,670 --> 00:58:29,460
大部分議題都可以談
Much of this, we are willing to discuss.

702
00:58:29,550 --> 00:58:31,010
但我得聲明
But let me be clear.

703
00:58:31,090 --> 00:58:34,930
以色列對耶路撒冷握有絕對主權
Israel will not negotiate over the sovereignty of the city of Jerusalem.

704
00:58:35,010 --> 00:58:38,010
我們絕不放棄耶路撒冷
We will never relinquish our right to Jerusalem,

705
00:58:38,100 --> 00:58:42,480
巴勒斯坦也必須建國
just as we will never relinquish our right to a Palestinian state.

706
00:58:42,560 --> 00:58:44,600
巴勒斯坦有可能建國
The possibility of a Palestinian state

707
00:58:44,690 --> 00:58:48,770
只要首都不是耶路撒冷都好說
without Jerusalem as its capital is a viable topic,

708
00:58:48,860 --> 00:58:51,570
前提是你們要放下妄想
if you're willing to drop your further impossible demand

709
00:58:51,650 --> 00:58:56,200
協議未竟議題 不能交由第三方仲裁
that all issues not resolved in this DOP be referred to third-party international arbitration.

710
00:58:56,280 --> 00:58:58,830
我們以小搏大
You are Goliath to our David!

711
00:58:58,910 --> 00:59:01,410
中立仲裁者在所必須
A neutral arbitrator is essential.

712
00:59:01,500 --> 00:59:05,000
你說說有哪一國會自愿放棄主權
Give me one country that voluntary cedes national sovereignty,

713
00:59:05,080 --> 00:59:06,750
達得到你們開的這種條件 
like you're proposing we do.

714
00:59:06,830 --> 00:59:09,210
新成立的歐盟就是一例
The newly formed European Union comes to mind.

715
00:59:09,290 --> 00:59:10,840
那種空中樓閣不算
Not those fucking pansies.

716
00:59:10,920 --> 00:59:12,970
我說的是正牌國家
I mean a real country.

717
00:59:13,050 --> 00:59:17,140
要兜圈子或具體討論悉聽尊便
We can talk in circles, or we can start to get something done.

718
00:59:17,220 --> 00:59:19,810
我方愿意讓出加薩的統治權
Now, we are willing to relinquish control of Gaza--

719
00:59:19,890 --> 00:59:20,930
我們可以接受
Which we will accept,

720
00:59:21,010 --> 00:59:27,230
前提是耶利哥市也比照辦理
on condition that you relinquish control of Jericho to us at the same time.

721
00:59:27,310 --> 00:59:28,650
開什么玩笑 
Are you fucking serious?

722
00:59:28,730 --> 00:59:30,900
加薩本身只是孤島
Gaza alone would make us an island,

723
00:59:30,980 --> 00:59:33,990
遭以軍團團包圍
surrounded by a sea of Israeli forces.

724
00:59:34,070 --> 00:59:37,860
我一直強調以色列國安考量
I've been talking of nothing but Israel's concern for our security,

725
00:59:37,950 --> 00:59:40,580
現在你們想控制的城市
and now you're asking us to give you control of a city

726
00:59:40,660 --> 00:59:41,740
離耶路撒冷不過廿公里
-20 kilometers from Jerusalem? -I am talking about

727
00:59:41,830 --> 00:59:46,420
那是我們在約旦河西岸的城市
our city in our West Bank!

728
00:59:46,500 --> 00:59:49,500
以色列害巴勒斯坦人分居二處
Your country divides my people in two!

729
00:59:49,590 --> 00:59:53,760
我們在加薩和西岸都要有立足點
So we must have a foothold in Gaza and the West Bank!

730
00:59:53,840 --> 00:59:55,420
我方只讓出加薩
We'll give you Gaza,

731
00:59:55,510 --> 00:59:59,470
你們先證明不會殺害加薩駐軍
and when you show you can stop the killing of our soldiers in Gaza,

732
00:59:59,550 --> 01:00:01,260
再來談耶利哥市
then we'll talk about Jericho.

733
01:00:01,350 --> 01:00:03,100
這是希蒙裴瑞斯開出的條件
That is from Shimon Peres himself.

734
01:00:03,180 --> 01:00:04,810
不接受就拉倒
Take it or leave it.

735
01:00:09,650 --> 01:00:11,320
我不接受
I leave it.

736
01:00:31,590 --> 01:00:34,050
你們兩個跟我來
You two... come with me.

737
01:00:42,640 --> 01:00:43,810
他倆就好
Alone.

738
01:01:50,000 --> 01:01:51,120
烏利 
Uri-- -Shh, shh!

739
01:02:02,720 --> 01:02:04,890
今天真夠精彩
My God, this day!

740
01:02:04,970 --> 01:02:07,810
人生毫無驚喜還算什么 
I mean, life is nothing if not surprising. Am I right, huh? Huh?

741
01:02:07,890 --> 01:02:09,850
－對 說的是 －就這么簡單
-Yes, yes. That's very, very true. -Yes, absolutely.

742
01:02:11,440 --> 01:02:13,190
來跳舞吧
Come. Let's have a dance.

743
01:02:21,950 --> 01:02:23,780
跟你說個秘密
I'll tell you a secret.

744
01:02:23,860 --> 01:02:25,950
我見到那兩人 快緊張死了
I was nervous as hell to meet those two.

745
01:02:26,990 --> 01:02:31,620
我從未當面見過巴解成員
First members of the PLO I've ever been face-to-face with.

746
01:02:31,710 --> 01:02:33,120
你覺得他們怎么樣 
So what do you think of them?

747
01:02:38,750 --> 01:02:40,590
不像我想的那么惡劣
Not the demons I was expecting.

748
01:02:41,840 --> 01:02:43,550
那位阿赫麥 你們都叫他什么 
This Ahmed-- What do you call him?

749
01:02:43,630 --> 01:02:45,760
阿布阿拉‥
-Abu Ala. -Abu Ala.

750
01:02:48,220 --> 01:02:50,060
他是可以談的人
I can do business with this man.

751
01:02:51,140 --> 01:02:53,520
我覺得有戲
I think this is going to work.

752
01:03:09,450 --> 01:03:10,870
沒事
It's okay.

753
01:03:22,300 --> 01:03:23,670
風聲走漏了
-There's been a leak.

754
01:03:23,760 --> 01:03:24,880
什么 
-What?

755
01:03:24,970 --> 01:03:29,810
法新社報導 挪威政府促成以巴密談
Agence France-Presse is reporting a secret Norwegian channel between Israel and the PLO.

756
01:03:30,350 --> 01:03:32,720
篇幅很小 但我國媒體看到了
A small piece, buried, but our press have read it

757
01:03:32,810 --> 01:03:35,350
想探明真相
and they want to know what the hell is going on.

758
01:03:35,940 --> 01:03:39,190
天啊 我該怎么向部長報告 
My God. How are we going to break this news to Holst?

759
01:03:42,190 --> 01:03:44,030
不必告訴他
We're not going to tell him.

760
01:03:46,910 --> 01:03:49,280
你就發新聞稿說法新社的報導
You'll release a statement that Agence France-Presse is clearly referring to

761
01:03:49,370 --> 01:03:53,450
顯然意指巴勒斯坦難民研討會
the meeting on the Palestinian refugee situation

762
01:03:53,540 --> 01:03:58,710
我們即將公開主辦
that we are officially, and openly, about to host.

763
01:03:58,790 --> 01:04:02,300
這不叫說謊 揚恩
We're not lying, Jan.

764
01:04:04,460 --> 01:04:06,760
措辭謹慎罷了
We're choosing our words carefully.

765
01:04:07,720 --> 01:04:12,260
我跟同事說周末要到巴黎度假
I told everyone in my office I'm off to Paris for the weekend.

766
01:04:13,470 --> 01:04:17,060
一到戴高樂機場便驅車往飯店
I land at De Gaulle, take the car to the hotel,

767
01:04:17,770 --> 01:04:20,150
辦完入住就進房
check in, go to my room.

768
01:04:21,060 --> 01:04:23,280
二十分鐘后
After 20 minutes,

769
01:04:23,360 --> 01:04:26,320
在門外掛上＂請勿打擾＂
I hang the "Do Not Disturb" sign on the door,

770
01:04:27,030 --> 01:04:31,870
就返回機場隱姓埋名
and head back to the airport...Incognito.

771
01:04:31,950 --> 01:04:35,870
從巴黎飛往奧斯陸的班機客滿
The flight from Paris here to Oslo, completely packed...

772
01:04:36,660 --> 01:04:38,580
坐滿了伊朗人
with Iranians!

773
01:04:40,170 --> 01:04:41,210
那你怎么辦 
-Whoa! -Oh, ho-ho-ho! What did you do?

774
01:04:41,290 --> 01:04:43,210
我還能怎么辦 
What do you think I did, huh?

775
01:04:43,750 --> 01:04:45,590
當場嚇到失禁
I shit my pants.

776
01:04:49,380 --> 01:04:51,300
謝謝你 阿布阿拉 你說的對
Thank you so much. Abu Ala, you were right.

777
01:04:51,390 --> 01:04:53,430
這位女士是國寶
This woman is a national treasure.

778
01:04:54,600 --> 01:04:56,270
等一下才有得瞧
Aah, just you wait!

779
01:04:56,350 --> 01:05:01,350
因為松餅時間快到了
For now, we are approaching the hour of the waffles!

780
01:05:04,360 --> 01:05:06,650
瞧瞧誰來了 是莫娜
Look who's here. Mona!

781
01:05:07,820 --> 01:05:10,570
我們得敬莫娜一杯
-We must toast Mona. -Yes.

782
01:05:10,660 --> 01:05:15,120
－對‥ －要好好表揚一下
-No, no, no, no, no-- -We must praise you. No, you can't stop us. We must praise you.

783
01:05:15,620 --> 01:05:17,040
敬莫娜
To Mona.

784
01:05:17,120 --> 01:05:19,710
我們少了她 啥也做不了
Without her, we are nothing.

785
01:05:19,790 --> 01:05:24,130
－對 敬莫娜 －敬莫娜‥
-Yes. To Mona. -To Mona!

786
01:05:24,210 --> 01:05:30,340
莫娜‥
Mona! Mona! Mona!

787
01:05:30,430 --> 01:05:38,850
莫娜‥
Mona! Mona! Mona! Mona!

788
01:05:59,620 --> 01:06:04,710
昨晚你明明說巴勒斯坦要建國
Last night, in there, you said the eventuality I did not!

789
01:06:04,790 --> 01:06:06,210
－一切好說 －不對 我說的是
-I did not. -...is a viable topic for this discussion.

790
01:06:06,290 --> 01:06:10,170
－巴勒斯坦想建國要有前提 －各位 該用晚餐了
-Please. Din-- -Possibility of the Palestinian state is what I said. Dinner is about to be served, gentlemen.

791
01:06:10,260 --> 01:06:13,970
要討論巴勒斯坦建國的可能性
If you want to discuss the idea of the eventuality of a Palestinian state,

792
01:06:14,050 --> 01:06:16,850
就得先滿足以色列的國安需求
then first you must address our security concerns.

793
01:06:16,930 --> 01:06:20,730
我們才不會屈從你的蠻橫要求
Your concerns are demands, and I will not be demanded to.

794
01:06:20,810 --> 01:06:22,640
（阿語）我就說他不肯讓步

795
01:06:22,730 --> 01:06:24,980
（阿語）猶太混蛋喋喋不休

796
01:06:25,060 --> 01:06:28,610
巴解要保證不對以色列人恐攻
We must have proof that the PLO will cease all terrorist activities against all Israeli citizens.

797
01:06:28,690 --> 01:06:30,690
哈珊‥
Hassan. Hassan!  Hassan.

798
01:06:30,780 --> 01:06:34,490
我在這里 有話就直說
I'm right here. You want to say something, say it to my face.

799
01:06:36,160 --> 01:06:37,410
好
Okay.

800
01:06:38,580 --> 01:06:42,580
你一副殖民政府高高在上的態度
You sit there, comrade, with your colonial superiority,

801
01:06:42,660 --> 01:06:46,500
擅自決定我們的未來
dictating what our future will or will not be.

802
01:06:46,580 --> 01:06:49,710
縱使握有情搜能力
Yet somehow, with your intelligence service, your army,

803
01:06:49,800 --> 01:06:52,880
軍隊跟核武
your nuclear weapons,

804
01:06:52,970 --> 01:06:56,340
你們還是懼怕我們
you are threatened by us.

805
01:06:56,430 --> 01:07:00,560
你們究竟是強迫人聽令的主子
So, are you the master who must be obeyed,

806
01:07:00,640 --> 01:07:03,100
還是楚楚可憐的被害者 
or the victim who must be coddled,

807
01:07:03,180 --> 01:07:06,060
畢竟兩者互斥
because you cannot be both!

808
01:07:06,150 --> 01:07:07,480
老實說吧 哈珊
Tell me something, Hassan.

809
01:07:07,560 --> 01:07:11,570
究竟是莫斯科寄這席話給你
Did you get those talking points mailed to you from Moscow?

810
01:07:13,070 --> 01:07:15,320
還是你自己跑去偷抄的 
Or did you copy them down yourself?

811
01:07:16,070 --> 01:07:19,200
以色列的未來掌握在我們手上
Your future will be dictated by us!

812
01:07:19,280 --> 01:07:23,790
你們若以為我會在國安上讓步
If you think we are going to roll over on the issue of our security,

813
01:07:23,870 --> 01:07:25,790
就大錯特錯了
you are sorely mistaken!

814
01:07:25,870 --> 01:07:30,880
你們周圍有三億五千萬阿拉伯人
Your nation is surrounded by 350 million of us!

815
01:07:30,960 --> 01:07:34,130
不尊重我們 就別想要太平
You will have no security until we have our dignity.

816
01:07:34,220 --> 01:07:38,470
－我國安全了 你們才有份 －你終于露出真面目了
Until we have security, you will have nothing. -Now you reveal your true face!

817
01:07:38,550 --> 01:07:40,810
你果然是個無賴
Now we see the scoundrel you are!

818
01:07:44,310 --> 01:07:46,060
我沒事‥
I'm fine. It's all right.

819
01:07:48,440 --> 01:07:49,900
沒關系
I'm fine.

820
01:07:53,320 --> 01:07:57,700
原諒我一時失控 真不應該
Forgive my outburst. It was unworthy.

821
01:07:59,410 --> 01:08:03,370
請讓我彌補過失
Please allow me to make amends.

822
01:08:20,050 --> 01:08:25,520
我倆出去走走吧
Perhaps you and I could walk together.

823
01:08:26,180 --> 01:08:27,640
如果你愿意的話
If you wish.

824
01:09:12,730 --> 01:09:16,230
我欣賞你的斗志
I admire the way you fight.

825
01:09:19,240 --> 01:09:20,360
謝謝
Thank you.

826
01:09:22,120 --> 01:09:27,200
我欣賞你滿腔熱情
I admire your passion.

827
01:09:30,670 --> 01:09:34,960
女兒說我激動起來會變成豬頭
My daughter says, with me, passion is another word for pigheaded.

828
01:09:35,840 --> 01:09:38,800
她說我總要爭到自己對為止
She says, "Papa, all you care about is being right."

829
01:09:39,590 --> 01:09:42,140
我回答 瑪雅
I say, "Maya,

830
01:09:42,220 --> 01:09:44,760
不捍衛自己的想法
"if a man does not fight for what he believes,

831
01:09:44,850 --> 01:09:46,180
還算什么人 
who is he?"

832
01:09:47,390 --> 01:09:48,430
瑪雅 
Maya?

833
01:09:49,730 --> 01:09:51,230
對 她是我的女兒
Yes. My daughter.

834
01:09:52,100 --> 01:09:54,560
我的女兒也叫瑪雅
My daughter is named Maya.

835
01:09:55,820 --> 01:09:59,650
她是老幺 我的心肝寶貝
My youngest. She is the light of my life.

836
01:10:06,910 --> 01:10:10,540
真希望家父能在世見證這一切
I wish my father had lived to see this.

837
01:10:11,290 --> 01:10:14,080
但天氣可能不太合他的意
Though he would not have been crazy about the weather.

838
01:10:15,420 --> 01:10:20,300
真倒楣 找上門的居然是挪威人
This is a true tragedy that we were approached by the Norwegians,

839
01:10:20,380 --> 01:10:23,930
不是加州人
and not the Californians.

840
01:10:28,510 --> 01:10:30,060
天啊 他們在笑嗎 
-Oh, my God. Are they laughing? -Terje.

841
01:10:30,140 --> 01:10:34,480
塔瑞 再走近一步就等著離婚
If you take one more step, I swear I will divorce you.

842
01:10:37,770 --> 01:10:39,780
令尊還健在嗎 
Is your father still with us?

843
01:10:40,400 --> 01:10:44,240
他住在阿布迪斯 靠近耶路撒冷
My father lives in Abu Dis, near Jerusalem.

844
01:10:45,740 --> 01:10:49,450
要我幫你傳訊給他嗎 
Do you want me to take a letter to him, bring a message from you?

845
01:10:49,540 --> 01:10:50,790
不用了
No.

846
01:10:52,830 --> 01:10:55,540
我從突尼斯返鄉那天
The day I am able to leave Tunis and return,

847
01:10:55,630 --> 01:10:59,340
就是我倆重逢的日子
that is the day he and I will speak.

848
01:10:59,420 --> 01:11:01,260
但謝謝你的好意
But thank you.

849
01:11:06,140 --> 01:11:07,430
阿布阿拉
Abu Ala,

850
01:11:08,350 --> 01:11:11,060
以巴雙方人民都活在過去
our peoples live in the past.

851
01:11:14,140 --> 01:11:19,360
放不下曾經擁有的東西
Both obsessing over...over what we have lost.

852
01:11:20,690 --> 01:11:23,360
我們要設法活在當下
Let us find a way to live in the present.

853
01:11:23,990 --> 01:11:25,410
攜手合作
Together.

854
01:11:37,080 --> 01:11:43,670
我們愿意妥協 如遇未竟爭議
We will agree to drop our demand that outstanding quarrels between us

855
01:11:43,760 --> 01:11:48,090
不必交由第三方進行國際仲裁
be referred to third-party international arbitration.

856
01:11:51,310 --> 01:11:55,810
我們同意協商移交加沙地帶
And we will agree to negotiate turning over Gaza...

857
01:11:57,150 --> 01:11:59,440
以及耶利哥市
and Jericho.

858
01:12:10,410 --> 01:12:12,330
你跟我 阿布阿拉
You and I, Abu Ala...

859
01:12:14,330 --> 01:12:16,710
將攜手改變世界
We are going to change the world.

860
01:12:32,890 --> 01:12:34,430
＂安全密室＂

861
01:12:34,520 --> 01:12:40,900
＂耶路撒冷 以色列外交部＂

862
01:12:57,290 --> 01:12:58,870
＂喬爾辛格＂

863
01:12:58,960 --> 01:13:02,920
＂以色列外交部法律顧問＂

864
01:13:04,460 --> 01:13:06,420
這是什么鬼東西 
What the fuck is this?

865
01:13:08,420 --> 01:13:10,800
負責談判的是誰 
Who the fuck negotiated this?

866
01:13:11,260 --> 01:13:13,260
你自己去談談看
You try negotiating this.

867
01:13:13,350 --> 01:13:14,930
這只是草案
It's a working document.

868
01:13:15,010 --> 01:13:18,350
根本是送給阿拉法特的 光明節大禮
It's a fucking Hanukkah present to Yasser Arafat.

869
01:13:18,430 --> 01:13:19,770
裴瑞斯也同意了
This is what Peres wanted.

870
01:13:19,850 --> 01:13:21,310
管他什么裴瑞斯
-Fuck Peres.

871
01:13:21,400 --> 01:13:24,150
裴瑞斯跟大家都一樣在拉賓麾下
Peres answers to Rabin just like the rest of us.

872
01:13:24,230 --> 01:13:27,440
草案完全違逆 我國四十年來的政策
This flies in the face of 40 years of Israeli policy.

873
01:13:30,660 --> 01:13:34,240
＂移交加薩地區和耶利哥市＂
We turn over control of Gaza, and Jericho?

874
01:13:35,450 --> 01:13:39,410
＂耶路撒冷由巴勒斯坦人自治＂
The inclusion of Jerusalem in Palestinian self-rule?

875
01:13:39,500 --> 01:13:43,840
－喬爾 那只是議題而已 －耶路撒冷 
-Joel, these are just talking points-- -Jerusalem.

876
01:13:43,920 --> 01:13:47,960
難不成祖父輩建國
Is this why our grandparents founded this country?

877
01:13:48,050 --> 01:13:49,720
是要讓我們這樣亂搞嗎 
So we could do this?

878
01:13:49,800 --> 01:13:53,890
雙方在四個月間 從無法相見到擬出了草案
In four months, we've gone from not even conceiving of meeting these people to that.

879
01:13:53,970 --> 01:13:55,640
四十年來寸步未進
Forty years, nothing.

880
01:13:55,720 --> 01:13:57,680
如今用四個月就成果豐碩
Now four months, that.

881
01:13:57,770 --> 01:14:02,150
每回談判 對方都會致電
Every negotiating round, my counterpart calls

882
01:14:02,230 --> 01:14:04,020
聯絡突尼斯的巴解總部
PLO headquarters in Tunis,

883
01:14:04,110 --> 01:14:06,730
直接跟阿拉法特確認
and speaks directly to Arafat.

884
01:14:07,690 --> 01:14:11,740
草案中的每一條與所有讓步
Every point. Every concession these men have made

885
01:14:11,820 --> 01:14:15,700
都經過阿拉法特認可
has been signed off on by Arafat.

886
01:14:19,370 --> 01:14:23,250
政府里有誰知道這份文件 
Who in the government knows this document exists?

887
01:14:27,630 --> 01:14:29,590
我們三人加上裴瑞斯
The three of us, and Peres.

888
01:14:32,930 --> 01:14:34,340
還有拉賓總理
And Rabin.

889
01:14:40,480 --> 01:14:42,060
寫得亂七八糟
It's written like mush.

890
01:14:45,060 --> 01:14:47,900
法律事務所清潔工還寫得比較好
The janitor in my law firm would have done a better job.

891
01:14:47,980 --> 01:14:51,900
每句話都能由雙方自由解讀
Every sentence here could be read to mean anything by either side.

892
01:14:51,990 --> 01:14:53,910
根本是定時炸彈
It's a fucking time bomb.

893
01:14:53,990 --> 01:14:56,030
那就麻煩你拆彈了
So diffuse it, Joel.

894
01:14:56,120 --> 01:14:58,950
拉賓認定只有你辦得到
Rabin trusts you, and you alone, to do it.

895
01:14:59,540 --> 01:15:01,910
我們不是律師 得借助你的長才
We are not lawyers. We need your expertise.

896
01:15:03,370 --> 01:15:06,080
請看看這份亂七八糟的文件
Go through this "mush."

897
01:15:06,170 --> 01:15:11,670
能否修改成具法律效力的協議
Figure out if it can be turned into a real binding document or not.

898
01:15:12,470 --> 01:15:14,880
以巴雙方要再行協商
Nothing more can happen between Israel and the PLO

899
01:15:14,970 --> 01:15:17,430
就得經過你同意
unless you tell us it's a go.

900
01:15:25,520 --> 01:15:30,190
＂１９９３年６月＂

901
01:15:47,630 --> 01:15:49,340
（希語）朋友們 平安
-Shalom, friends.

902
01:15:49,420 --> 01:15:52,420
阿布阿拉 哈珊
-Abu Ala. Hassan,

903
01:15:52,510 --> 01:15:55,880
－容我介紹‥ －我們都知道對方的底細
it is my great pleasure to introduce you to-- -They know who I am and I know who they are.

904
01:15:55,970 --> 01:15:57,550
沒空閑聊了
We don't have time for chit-chat.

905
01:15:57,640 --> 01:16:00,890
我看過雙方共同草擬的文件
I've read the text of the joint document created here,

906
01:16:00,970 --> 01:16:04,930
有兩百個問題要厘清
and I've come with 200 questions about this document.

907
01:16:05,430 --> 01:16:08,100
我們不回答問題
We reject your questions,

908
01:16:08,190 --> 01:16:11,020
也不欣賞你的語氣
as we reject your tone.

909
01:16:15,530 --> 01:16:19,620
提出問題的是拉賓總理
These questions come directly from Yitzhak Rabin.

910
01:16:19,700 --> 01:16:23,580
他本人派我過來
I am here at his personal request.

911
01:16:23,660 --> 01:16:25,660
你們跟我談
When you're speaking to me,

912
01:16:25,750 --> 01:16:29,380
就如同跟以色列總理說話
you're speaking to the prime minister of Israel.

913
01:16:34,300 --> 01:16:38,470
我在凌晨六點得走 只能熬夜了
I have until 0600 hours. We'll need to work through the night.

914
01:16:38,550 --> 01:16:40,220
趕快開始吧
Let's get started.

915
01:17:02,200 --> 01:17:03,950
你們知道他是誰嗎 
Do you know who this man is?

916
01:17:04,700 --> 01:17:08,910
喬爾辛格起草了接戰法則
Joel Singer wrote the military rules of engagement

917
01:17:09,000 --> 01:17:12,210
猶太復國軍隊據以殘殺我方百姓
the Zionist army used to crush our people.

918
01:17:14,090 --> 01:17:18,170
我們正跟仇人坐在同一條船上
We are now in the boat with the enemy himself.

919
01:17:25,640 --> 01:17:29,270
兩百個問題都需要明確答案
Each of these 200 questions requires a precise answer.

920
01:17:29,350 --> 01:17:35,070
我接受答復后才能進入下一題
When I'm satisfied with your answer, we'll move on to the next question.

921
01:17:37,280 --> 01:17:43,490
以色列若移交耶利哥市周邊治權
"If the State of Israel agrees to cede control of Jericho and its surrounding territory,

922
01:17:43,570 --> 01:17:46,790
未來成立的巴勒斯坦當局
"will the proposed Palestinian authority

923
01:17:46,870 --> 01:17:49,750
是否會收以色列聚落的垃圾 
"collect Israeli garbage?

924
01:17:50,960 --> 01:17:55,500
還是只收巴勒斯坦人的垃圾 
Or only Palestinian garbage?"

925
01:17:58,960 --> 01:18:00,720
你當真想問這個嗎 
This is your question?

926
01:18:01,680 --> 01:18:04,640
這是第一個問題
Well, this is my first question.

927
01:18:08,350 --> 01:18:11,440
（阿語）先同意 繼續談下去

928
01:18:13,060 --> 01:18:16,360
我們不收以色列人的垃圾
No, we will not collect Israeli garbage.

929
01:18:16,440 --> 01:18:20,860
以色列若移交耶利哥市周邊治權
"If the State of Israel agrees to cede control of Jericho and its surrounding territory,

930
01:18:20,950 --> 01:18:23,160
未來成立的巴勒斯坦當局
"will the proposed Palestinian authority

931
01:18:23,240 --> 01:18:29,250
是否會到以色列屯墾區收稅 
"be prepared to send tax collectors into Israeli settlements?"

932
01:18:29,330 --> 01:18:33,120
辛格先生 我們不遠前來
Mr. Singer, we did not fly across the world

933
01:18:33,210 --> 01:18:36,250
不是為了討論垃圾和稅金
to speak of garbage and taxes.

934
01:18:36,340 --> 01:18:41,050
收垃圾和稅金系屬政府權責
Garbage and taxes is what a government does.

935
01:18:41,840 --> 01:18:44,890
你們若想接收領土 成立政府
If you want us to give you the authority to be a government,

936
01:18:44,970 --> 01:18:48,680
協議就須清楚載明
then this joint document must spell out exactly how

937
01:18:48,760 --> 01:18:53,270
政府如何遂行統治權
you will be a government.

938
01:19:08,330 --> 01:19:10,490
我得致電突尼斯
I must speak with Tunis.

939
01:19:32,850 --> 01:19:33,890
喝點咖啡吧 
Coffee?

940
01:19:35,770 --> 01:19:37,940
庫賴先生到底要打幾次電話 
How many times is Mr. Qurie going to do this?

941
01:19:38,020 --> 01:19:40,610
我們已經浪費了一個半小時
We've already lost an hour and a half.

942
01:19:41,320 --> 01:19:45,570
－（希語）到底在等什么  －（希語）別擔心 沒事

943
01:19:46,320 --> 01:19:47,530
謝謝

944
01:19:55,750 --> 01:20:00,670
你和先生何必忙這一遭 
Why are you doing this? You and your husband?

945
01:20:02,800 --> 01:20:06,470
假如易地而處 你不會做嗎 
Well, if you were in our shoes, Mr. Singer, wouldn't you do the same?

946
01:20:06,550 --> 01:20:09,890
不會 所以我才想問
No. That's why I'm asking.

947
01:20:19,810 --> 01:20:22,150
我和塔瑞曾途經加薩
Terje and I were touring Gaza.

948
01:20:23,110 --> 01:20:26,030
當時我派駐中東 正在出公差
Part of my work while I was stationed in the region.

949
01:20:27,450 --> 01:20:29,620
我們在谷地里走岔了路
We took a wrong turn down an alley.

950
01:20:30,570 --> 01:20:34,450
僥幸逃過一劫 但同行的死了
We were fine. Others were not.

951
01:20:38,250 --> 01:20:41,250
我看見兩個男孩面對面
There were two boys facing each other.

952
01:20:42,380 --> 01:20:45,090
一個穿制服 一個穿牛仔褲
One in uniform. One in jeans.

953
01:20:45,800 --> 01:20:48,550
臉上卻都流露驚恐
But on their faces, the same fear.

954
01:20:49,180 --> 01:20:51,680
兩人都不想待在現場
The same desperate desire to be anywhere but here.

955
01:20:51,760 --> 01:20:55,220
不愿動手殺害對方
To not be doing this to the other boy.

956
01:21:01,900 --> 01:21:03,900
我先失陪了
Now, if you'll excuse me.

957
01:21:35,060 --> 01:21:37,060
我知道自己該扮演什么角色
I understand our role here.

958
01:21:38,100 --> 01:21:39,850
但你最好知道
But I think you should know...

959
01:21:41,310 --> 01:21:44,730
阿布阿拉每次說要致電突尼斯
Whenever Abu Ala goes to use the phone and call Tunis,

960
01:21:45,480 --> 01:21:47,530
都不曾真正打去
he does not call Tunis.

961
01:21:49,190 --> 01:21:50,610
那他打電話給誰 
Who does he call?

962
01:21:51,240 --> 01:21:52,450
他沒打電話
No one.

963
01:21:52,530 --> 01:21:56,580
就只是坐在房里發呆
He sits in his room, staring at the wall.

964
01:21:56,660 --> 01:21:58,450
等到差不多該講完電話了
When enough time for a phone call has passed,

965
01:21:58,540 --> 01:22:01,830
就把新的指示帶回會議室
he comes back in with new instructions.

966
01:22:03,670 --> 01:22:05,040
感謝告知
Thank you.

967
01:22:08,800 --> 01:22:09,920
瓊特
-Trond?

968
01:22:10,010 --> 01:22:11,340
是
-Yeah?

969
01:22:12,800 --> 01:22:16,470
我倆知道這件事就好
Just keep this between you and me. Yes?

970
01:22:17,010 --> 01:22:20,270
別跟莫娜說 我會處理
Don't tell Mona. I'll take care of it.

971
01:22:35,490 --> 01:22:40,370
所謂毗鄰耶利哥市的以色列聚落
So, the phrase "Israeli settlements abutting the city of Jericho,"

972
01:22:40,450 --> 01:22:45,380
語意很不清楚 包括哪些聚落 
is vague and imprecise. Which settlements, what other--

973
01:22:45,460 --> 01:22:47,540
－怎么劃界  －聚落及界線
 -Settlements and boundaries, as per article four,

974
01:22:47,630 --> 01:22:53,180
遵照華盛頓會談草案 ３２頁第４條之規范
page 32, of the working document of the official Washington talks.

975
01:22:53,260 --> 01:22:55,470
我要看具體條款內容
Show me the language of this document.

976
01:22:58,350 --> 01:23:01,350
我的存檔在這里
My copy of this document resides here.

977
01:23:02,390 --> 01:23:04,810
你要到哪里查閱是你的事
Your copy is your business.

978
01:23:13,900 --> 01:23:16,240
第兩百題
Question number 200.

979
01:23:17,410 --> 01:23:19,280
你們是否愿意在此聲明
Are you willing to state herein

980
01:23:19,370 --> 01:23:23,290
以色列為合法國家 
that you recognize the legitimacy of the State of Israel?

981
01:23:29,590 --> 01:23:32,460
我方同意于此聲明中
We will agree in this document

982
01:23:32,550 --> 01:23:35,760
同意以色列存在
to accept the existence of the State of Israel.

983
01:23:35,840 --> 01:23:37,970
我們當然存在
We know we exist,

984
01:23:38,050 --> 01:23:39,390
也知道你們明白我們存在
and we know you see that we exist.

985
01:23:39,470 --> 01:23:41,810
但你們要在文件中確認
What this document requires is for you to acknowledge

986
01:23:41,890 --> 01:23:44,480
以色列是合法主權國家
the legitimacy of our existence.

987
01:23:44,560 --> 01:23:48,650
辛格先生 假如你們愿意聲明
Mr. Singer, when you are willing to state herein

988
01:23:48,730 --> 01:23:51,940
巴勒斯坦解放組織
that the Palestine Liberation Organization is the official

989
01:23:52,030 --> 01:23:56,410
為巴勒斯坦官方機構
voice of the Palestinian people,

990
01:23:56,490 --> 01:23:59,240
以色列的合法性就值得討論
then we will revisit your legitimacy.

991
01:24:04,580 --> 01:24:09,590
（希語）他們讓步得夠多了

992
01:24:11,800 --> 01:24:15,550
你們清楚直白回答了問題
Your answers to my questions were clear and direct,

993
01:24:15,630 --> 01:24:18,390
本人在此致上謝忱
for which you have our thanks and our respect.

994
01:24:18,470 --> 01:24:22,600
謹代表伊扎克拉賓總理與以色列
On behalf of Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin and the State of Israel,

995
01:24:22,680 --> 01:24:26,560
我方提議以此秘商管道
we make this offer that this back channel

996
01:24:27,730 --> 01:24:31,070
作為正式交流平臺
will become the official channel.

997
01:24:36,450 --> 01:24:39,740
華府資助的會談怎么辦 
But what of the Washington-sponsored talks?

998
01:24:39,820 --> 01:24:40,950
他們可以繼續談
They'll continue,

999
01:24:41,030 --> 01:24:43,370
參與會談的人也不會知道
and no one involved in those talks will know

1000
01:24:43,450 --> 01:24:47,250
會談只是障眼法而已
that what they are doing is now nothing but a ruse.

1001
01:24:47,920 --> 01:24:51,130
兩位負責談判
You both will negotiate.

1002
01:24:51,210 --> 01:24:53,590
我們來寫條款
You and I will write.

1003
01:24:54,630 --> 01:24:57,760
我們四人得在會議室中
In this room,

1004
01:24:57,840 --> 01:25:00,390
締造和平
we four will forge peace,

1005
01:25:00,470 --> 01:25:02,810
否則和平不會降臨
or there will be no peace.

1006
01:25:11,230 --> 01:25:12,650
打火機來了
Lighter.

1007
01:25:16,940 --> 01:25:18,490
揚恩 你不能退出
Jan, you cannot drop out.

1008
01:25:18,570 --> 01:25:19,700
我可以 莫娜
-Yes, I can, Mona.

1009
01:25:19,780 --> 01:25:21,740
你若還清醒的話也該照做
And if you have a shred of sense left, you will do the same.

1010
01:25:21,820 --> 01:25:24,200
協商過程需要你來協助
But this process needs you.

1011
01:25:24,280 --> 01:25:25,410
回顧現有成果吧
-Look at what has just happened!

1012
01:25:25,490 --> 01:25:27,000
的確 看清楚點
-Exactly. Look.

1013
01:25:27,080 --> 01:25:30,670
用秘密管道牽線議和倒還好
I mean, my God, it's one thing for a peace process to have a secret back channel.

1014
01:25:30,750 --> 01:25:33,420
現在官方和談改為私下進行
Now the actual peace process itself is a secret.

1015
01:25:33,500 --> 01:25:37,340
－我知道 －決定雙方人民命運的過程
-Yes, I know, but-- -The future of two peoples is now

1016
01:25:37,420 --> 01:25:39,880
毫無問責性 過程不透明
being decided without accountability, without transparency,

1017
01:25:39,970 --> 01:25:42,800
協商成員極少 還未經正式批準
by a handful of men who have no mandate to do so.

1018
01:25:42,890 --> 01:25:45,810
－但打從一開始‥ －假如繼續下去
-But that was always the ca-- -If you continue down this path,

1019
01:25:45,890 --> 01:25:50,230
世人知道了真相就會亂成一鍋
and the world finds out what you are all doing, there will be riots.

1020
01:25:50,690 --> 01:25:53,110
血流成河
Blood will be spilled.

1021
01:26:05,080 --> 01:26:09,790
＂１９９３年７月＂

1022
01:26:14,380 --> 01:26:16,750
我在年少時告訴母親
When I was a young man, I told my mother

1023
01:26:16,840 --> 01:26:20,380
我的志向是開戰機
that my dearest wish was to become a fighter pilot.

1024
01:26:21,010 --> 01:26:23,390
她只開了一個條件
She said she would allow it on one condition:

1025
01:26:23,470 --> 01:26:27,430
就是我要慢慢開 飛低一點
that I fly very slowly, and very close to the ground.

1026
01:26:27,510 --> 01:26:30,390
我回答 飛行員要想平安生還
I replied, "But, Mother, for a pilot to be safe,

1027
01:26:30,480 --> 01:26:33,400
就得飛得又高又快
he must fly very fast, and very high."

1028
01:26:34,100 --> 01:26:35,650
你的皮鞋很好看
I adore your shoes.

1029
01:26:35,730 --> 01:26:38,530
－謝謝 －你先撐過還是直接就穿 
Oh, thank you. Do you have them stretched, or break them in yourself?

1030
01:26:38,610 --> 01:26:42,110
當然要先撐過才會合腳
Stretched, of course. That way, they fit like a glove.

1031
01:26:42,200 --> 01:26:46,910
希蒙 談談阿拉法特跟巴解吧
Shimon, if you could. Arafat, and the PLO.

1032
01:26:46,990 --> 01:26:49,410
協議要是落空
Look, if this deal does not happen,

1033
01:26:49,490 --> 01:26:51,710
巴解就成了空殼子
the PLO will be so hollowed out,

1034
01:26:51,790 --> 01:26:55,630
也許會因希望幻滅而土崩瓦解
so bereft of victories it may well cease to exist.

1035
01:26:56,130 --> 01:26:57,540
這可不行
This, we cannot allow.

1036
01:26:57,630 --> 01:27:00,960
因為以色列需要巴解
For Israel needs the PLO to exist.

1037
01:27:01,050 --> 01:27:03,720
阿拉法特很難搞 但究竟是人
Arafat is tricky, but he is a man.

1038
01:27:04,380 --> 01:27:08,350
人最心心念念的就是家鄉
And a man aches for one thing above all: his home.

1039
01:27:10,270 --> 01:27:11,980
請烏利轉告阿布阿拉
Tell Uri to tell Abu Ala

1040
01:27:12,060 --> 01:27:14,980
阿拉法特跟我們簽訂協議后
that if Arafat makes this deal with us,

1041
01:27:15,060 --> 01:27:19,320
他和巴解高層就能重返加薩
I will allow him and the rest of the PLO leadership to return to Gaza.

1042
01:27:20,190 --> 01:27:22,780
我們要放阿拉法特 和巴解回加薩嗎 
Arafat, and the PLO in Gaza?

1043
01:27:22,860 --> 01:27:25,570
要大膽一搏就趁現在
If we are to be bold, it must be now.

1044
01:27:26,820 --> 01:27:28,990
請大家再回奧斯陸談最后一回合
Get them all back to Oslo for one last round.

1045
01:27:29,080 --> 01:27:30,910
不準讓美國知道
And we tell the Americans nothing.

1046
01:27:30,990 --> 01:27:32,500
希蒙 只字不提嗎 
But Shimon, nothing?

1047
01:27:32,580 --> 01:27:36,210
我當年差點跟約旦國王胡笙談和
I was this close to making peace with King Hussein and the Jordanians,

1048
01:27:36,290 --> 01:27:38,920
美國聽到風聲就來攪局
until the Americans got wind, and scuttled it.

1049
01:27:39,000 --> 01:27:40,710
這次絕不能放任他們胡來
This, they will not scuttle.

1050
01:27:40,800 --> 01:27:44,420
美方隨時可能直接質問我們
But the Americans could ask us directly, any moment.

1051
01:27:44,510 --> 01:27:47,430
不管問到誰
If they ask any of us,

1052
01:27:47,930 --> 01:27:49,850
我們就說秘密管道已經關閉了
we say the back channel is closed.

1053
01:27:49,930 --> 01:27:51,970
你要大家撒謊嗎 
You mean flat-out lie?

1054
01:27:52,060 --> 01:27:55,560
謊言不過是可能實現的夢想
What is a lie but a dream that could come true?

1055
01:27:56,400 --> 01:28:00,070
飛得又高又快是唯一解方
Fast and high, my friends. It is the only way.

1056
01:28:08,700 --> 01:28:11,540
以色列持續攻擊真主黨
As Israel's assault on Hezbollah continues,

1057
01:28:11,620 --> 01:28:16,000
逃往貝魯特的難民已高達廿萬人
the refugees streaming toward Beirut have now reached upwards of 200,000.

1058
01:28:16,080 --> 01:28:18,000
巴勒斯坦難民鎮日受困
The Palestinians have spent the day trapped

1059
01:28:18,080 --> 01:28:20,630
遭黎巴嫩軍隊和以色列盟軍夾殺
between the Lebanese army and Israel's allies.

1060
01:28:20,710 --> 01:28:23,170
巴勒斯坦難民跋涉了一哩
The Palestinians have been marching for a mile

1061
01:28:23,260 --> 01:28:25,300
穿過荒煙蔓草
through this desolate nomad's land,

1062
01:28:25,380 --> 01:28:27,130
一邊躲避戰火
when they came under fire.

1063
01:28:29,760 --> 01:28:33,020
戰車的彈著點就在一百碼外
A tank round landed only a hundred yards in front of them...

1064
01:28:33,100 --> 01:28:35,770
機槍炮火滿天飛
while machine gunfire whistled over their heads.

1065
01:28:37,310 --> 01:28:39,230
巴勒斯坦難民只能禱告
Many of the Palestinians started to pray

1066
01:28:39,310 --> 01:28:41,520
槍聲不絕于耳
as the gunfire echoed around them.

1067
01:28:41,610 --> 01:28:44,820
以色列支持的軍力借此清楚警告
It was a clear warning to these men from the Israeli's proxies

1068
01:28:44,900 --> 01:28:47,240
不準再靠近邊界一步
not to go any closer to the border.

1069
01:28:47,320 --> 01:28:49,070
阿布阿拉
Abu Ala,

1070
01:28:49,160 --> 01:28:51,280
我們要在明天遏止這一切
tomorrow we will finish this.

1071
01:28:51,370 --> 01:28:53,410
這名男子的臉部了受重傷
This man was seriously wounded in the face.

1072
01:28:53,490 --> 01:28:54,620
我們會找出辦法
-We will find a way.

1073
01:28:54,700 --> 01:28:56,710
媒體協助送醫
-Reporters took him to hospital.

1074
01:28:56,790 --> 01:29:00,420
巴勒斯坦難民今夜仍毫無遮蔽
Tonight, the Palestinians are still on the road, out in the open.

1075
01:29:00,500 --> 01:29:04,170
南黎巴嫩軍的炮彈碎片 擊中了兩名巴勒斯坦人
Two Palestinians were hit by shrapnel from the SLA's fire,

1076
01:29:04,250 --> 01:29:06,420
黎巴嫩總理今晚宣布
and this evening, the Lebanese prime minister

1077
01:29:06,510 --> 01:29:09,090
將阻擋送往難民的外援
announced he was stopping any more aid reaching them,

1078
01:29:09,180 --> 01:29:12,100
意圖顯然是引起世人矚目
a clear attempt to increase the world's concern,

1079
01:29:12,180 --> 01:29:14,180
好讓以色列臉上無光
and the Israeli's embarrassment.

1080
01:29:14,720 --> 01:29:16,140
獨立新聞記者羅伯穆爾
Robert Moore, ITN,

1081
01:29:16,220 --> 01:29:18,270
在以黎邊境報導
on the Israeli- Lebanese border.

1082
01:29:36,950 --> 01:29:38,000
太離譜了
-It's a disaster!

1083
01:29:38,080 --> 01:29:41,920
－亞爾 怎么了  －那混蛋毀了我們數月的心血
-Yair, what is? -What's going on? -Months of work ruined by that son of a bitch!

1084
01:29:42,000 --> 01:29:45,670
辛格徹底改寫了草案
What this Singer has brought, it's, it's almost a complete rewrite!

1085
01:29:45,750 --> 01:29:48,300
我們跟巴解談好的條件都消失了
The DOP we made together, it's disappeared.

1086
01:29:48,380 --> 01:29:50,930
辛格拿掉了移交耶利哥市的段落
Singer took out that we agreed to give them Jericho,

1087
01:29:51,010 --> 01:29:54,350
還說對方同意我們的所有要求
and he put in that they agreed to everything we asked for.

1088
01:29:54,430 --> 01:29:56,100
你們得設法處理
You have to fix this.

1089
01:29:56,180 --> 01:29:57,220
亞爾 我不能‥
Yair, I can't-- -No, no!

1090
01:29:57,310 --> 01:30:00,140
我說的是莫娜 他們會聽你的
Mona, you are the one they will listen to.

1091
01:30:00,230 --> 01:30:02,730
我只負責起頭 不能干涉
No. I, I can only facilitate. I cannot interfere.

1092
01:30:02,810 --> 01:30:05,900
錯了 現在缺你不可
No! You are part of this now.

1093
01:30:07,860 --> 01:30:09,360
我們只能靠你了
It has to be you.

1094
01:30:09,440 --> 01:30:13,320
快點進去
Go. In. Now! How--

1095
01:30:19,330 --> 01:30:20,460
好吧
Okay.

1096
01:30:25,380 --> 01:30:27,670
這不叫合作
This is not a "joint approach."

1097
01:30:27,750 --> 01:30:30,880
而是以色列強行占領
Wait-- -This is an Israeli occupation.

1098
01:30:31,510 --> 01:30:33,010
你們管不著
You have no right to tell us

1099
01:30:33,090 --> 01:30:35,550
巴解軍隊如何對待我方人民
how our army will deal with our people.

1100
01:30:35,640 --> 01:30:37,510
繼續往下談的前提
We are not going one step further

1101
01:30:37,600 --> 01:30:40,020
就是你們同意按照白紙黑字
until you agree, as written there,

1102
01:30:40,100 --> 01:30:43,100
移交后立刻終結暴力
that the violence ceases when you are in charge.

1103
01:30:43,190 --> 01:30:45,020
巴解政府目前位在突尼斯
Uh, we are in Tunis.

1104
01:30:45,110 --> 01:30:47,440
反抗運動由當地軍力發起
Those who are occupied began the Intifada.

1105
01:30:47,520 --> 01:30:50,280
停火與否也得看他們
It is theirs to end when they see fit.

1106
01:30:50,360 --> 01:30:52,320
那我們干嘛跟你們談 
Then why the fuck are we talking to you?

1107
01:30:52,400 --> 01:30:54,280
喬爾 我負責談判 好嗎 
Joel, I am negotiating, yes? Then let me negotiate!

1108
01:30:54,360 --> 01:30:57,240
烏利 你們為何就是不愿承認
Uri, why do you refuse to recognize

1109
01:30:57,330 --> 01:30:59,490
我們確實退了很多步 
the historic compromises we have already made?

1110
01:30:59,580 --> 01:31:00,660
什么讓步 
You have made?

1111
01:31:00,750 --> 01:31:03,460
我們要移交領地 國土變小了
Abu Ala, we are giving you land. We are shrinking the size of our country!

1112
01:31:03,540 --> 01:31:05,920
國土原本不是你們的 這叫返還
-Hey, this is not land for you to give, but to give back!

1113
01:31:06,000 --> 01:31:07,630
是你們自己丟了領土
This is land you fucking lost because you invaded us,

1114
01:31:07,710 --> 01:31:09,380
侵略不成 搞得落花流水
and we kicked your fucking ass.

1115
01:31:09,460 --> 01:31:11,840
耶路撒冷的條款在哪里 
And where in this, where is Jerusalem?

1116
01:31:11,920 --> 01:31:15,550
敢提耶路撒冷的話就免談
You put Jerusalem back on the table, and everything is over.

1117
01:31:15,640 --> 01:31:17,470
你們再抱持這種態度
You go on like this,

1118
01:31:17,550 --> 01:31:19,560
就永遠只是占領軍
you will never stop being the occupier,

1119
01:31:19,640 --> 01:31:21,890
我們跟以色列絕不罷休
and we will never stop fighting you!

1120
01:31:21,980 --> 01:31:24,440
你們打仗 害死了自己的小孩
Your fighting is killing your own children!

1121
01:31:24,520 --> 01:31:29,650
少了抗爭 你們也不會議和
Our fighting has forced you to stand in this room, and deal with us!

1122
01:31:29,730 --> 01:31:32,650
朋友 聽好了
My friend, my friend, listen to me,

1123
01:31:32,740 --> 01:31:34,910
－合作才是解方 －我是他的上級
He works for me!

1124
01:31:34,990 --> 01:31:36,360
你聽好了 喬爾
Let us be fucking clear, Joel.

1125
01:31:36,450 --> 01:31:37,660
你代表總理 我代表外長
You are here for Yitzhak, -I'm here for Shimon.

1126
01:31:37,740 --> 01:31:42,660
你跟我要來確保這些人守信用
-You are here with me. to make these people, for once, keep their fucking word.

1127
01:31:42,750 --> 01:31:44,250
（阿語）你這個混蛋‥

1128
01:31:44,330 --> 01:31:47,250
夠了‥
Enough! Enough! Eh, eh.

1129
01:31:55,130 --> 01:31:59,180
你們得簽署雙方談好的和約
You will accept this document that we've all agreed to. All of us.

1130
01:31:59,260 --> 01:32:00,720
否則就別談了
Or we are done.

1131
01:32:32,710 --> 01:32:34,210
請記錄
Write this down.

1132
01:32:36,300 --> 01:32:39,260
現在是上午九點整
At exactly 0900 hours,

1133
01:32:40,050 --> 01:32:42,310
１９９３年７月２８日
28th of July, 1993.

1134
01:32:42,390 --> 01:32:46,520
以巴奧斯陸密談正式結束
The Oslo PLO-Israeli channel was closed.

1135
01:33:03,870 --> 01:33:05,750
各位 請聽我說
Listen to me, please.

1136
01:33:07,750 --> 01:33:10,750
你們纏斗廝殺了五十年
You have fought and killed each other for 50 years.

1137
01:33:11,710 --> 01:33:15,210
母親跟兒女都因此喪生
Your mothers, your daughters, your sons have died,

1138
01:33:15,300 --> 01:33:17,220
問題依舊無解
and nothing has changed.

1139
01:33:17,300 --> 01:33:19,720
各國決定束手旁觀以巴沖突
The world has washed its hands of this conflict

1140
01:33:19,800 --> 01:33:24,100
因為沒有人相信你們能改變
because it does not believe that you can change.

1141
01:33:28,850 --> 01:33:31,100
你們不會有奧援了
No one else is coming to help you.

1142
01:33:32,400 --> 01:33:34,020
就只能靠自己
This is up to you.

1143
01:33:35,440 --> 01:33:39,030
以色列逐年逐日越來越孤立
You grow more isolated by the year--the day--

1144
01:33:39,950 --> 01:33:42,570
軍隊占領了不想要的領地
as your soldiers occupy land you do not even want.

1145
01:33:42,660 --> 01:33:44,830
亟欲脫手
That you are desperate to leave.

1146
01:33:44,910 --> 01:33:47,700
巴解則是困在突尼斯
And you, you are stranded in Tunis,

1147
01:33:47,790 --> 01:33:50,290
現在對方愿意移交領土
yet here now, you are being offered that land.

1148
01:33:50,370 --> 01:33:55,340
讓你們返回家園自治
A return home. To govern yourselves.

1149
01:33:57,090 --> 01:33:58,470
各位掌握了機會
This is your chance.

1150
01:34:00,510 --> 01:34:03,550
錯過的代價令人承受不起
You cannot afford to miss this moment.

1151
01:34:06,680 --> 01:34:09,890
你們都冒這么大的險了
Look at the risks you have already taken together.

1152
01:34:09,980 --> 01:34:13,400
請重返會議桌 從頭商討吧
Now please, sit back down and find a way.

1153
01:34:23,450 --> 01:34:24,660
麻煩了
Please.

1154
01:34:44,050 --> 01:34:48,100
我愿意重新看看能談出什么
I'm willing to start over. See what we can see.

1155
01:35:20,130 --> 01:35:22,260
從第８條開始談
Begin with article eight.

1156
01:35:22,340 --> 01:35:25,680
他們在這一點上明顯愿意讓步
They are clearly open to meeting you halfway on this issue.

1157
01:35:42,190 --> 01:35:43,900
第８條末尾
End of article eight.

1158
01:35:45,740 --> 01:35:49,330
＂以色列將持續負起全責＂
The sentence, "Israel will continue to carry all responsibilities,"

1159
01:35:49,410 --> 01:35:51,160
后面要加上
must be followed by the words

1160
01:35:51,240 --> 01:35:55,040
＂防御外侮或恐怖攻擊＂
"for defending against external threats or terrorist threats."

1161
01:35:55,120 --> 01:35:58,880
我方接受第８條加上防御外侮
In article eight, we will accept "external threats,"

1162
01:35:58,960 --> 01:36:01,670
但不含恐怖攻擊
but not "terrorist threats."

1163
01:36:04,800 --> 01:36:05,880
同意
Agreed.

1164
01:36:31,030 --> 01:36:36,790
聯合國的既有 第２４２和３３８號決議案
The long-standing UN Resolution 242 and 338

1165
01:36:36,870 --> 01:36:39,250
批判以軍占領行徑
criticizing the Israeli occupation

1166
01:36:39,330 --> 01:36:42,800
必須列入協議之中
must be included in this document.

1167
01:36:42,880 --> 01:36:44,710
我們堅決反對
That, we categorically reject.

1168
01:36:44,800 --> 01:36:47,880
但你們若同意擱置 以色列屯墾區的未來處置
But if you are willing to postpone discussion on the future of Israeli settlements--

1169
01:36:47,970 --> 01:36:50,180
我們不同意
-No. We will not.

1170
01:37:00,400 --> 01:37:06,070
但１９６７年戰爭失地應否歸還
But, the right to return for those displaced in the '67 war,

1171
01:37:06,150 --> 01:37:11,570
我們同意日后再議
this, we agree to postpone to a later date.

1172
01:37:15,160 --> 01:37:18,830
你們若同意邊境安檢由我方掌控
And if you are willing to accept our control of border security,

1173
01:37:20,460 --> 01:37:23,130
以色列將全面自加薩撤軍
we will withdraw all our forces from Gaza,

1174
01:37:24,670 --> 01:37:27,090
耶利哥市也一樣
and Jericho, at the same time.

1175
01:37:38,390 --> 01:37:40,850
兩國共同以耶路撒冷為首都
The city of Jerusalem will be capital for both.

1176
01:37:40,940 --> 01:37:42,400
免談
No!

1177
01:37:43,110 --> 01:37:47,900
＂１９９３年８月＂

1178
01:37:50,110 --> 01:37:51,450
－我是拉森 －塔瑞嗎 
Terje.

1179
01:37:51,530 --> 01:37:54,200
我是兒子 代父親傳話
This is the son calling with a message from the father.

1180
01:37:56,490 --> 01:37:58,410
父親要請你召集團隊
The father says you need to assemble your team

1181
01:37:58,500 --> 01:38:01,500
明天秘密飛往瑞典斯德哥爾摩
and fly tomorrow in secret to Stockholm, Sweden.

1182
01:38:02,080 --> 01:38:06,300
明晚父親出席瑞典國宴后
Tomorrow night, the father will be attending a state dinner over there, and after dinner,

1183
01:38:06,380 --> 01:38:09,670
會在王宮會客室接見你們
he will meet you and your team at the royal guest house.

1184
01:38:10,630 --> 01:38:14,260
他決定要做了
And... then he will make it.

1185
01:38:18,770 --> 01:38:20,100
做什么 
Make what?

1186
01:38:21,640 --> 01:38:22,850
議和
Peace.

1187
01:38:24,480 --> 01:38:26,360
跟對岸議和
With those across the sea.

1188
01:38:27,440 --> 01:38:31,280
明晚就會拍板定案
We are going to finish it, Terje. Tomorrow night.

1189
01:38:40,460 --> 01:38:42,370
＂瑞典王宮＂

1190
01:38:42,460 --> 01:38:47,000
＂斯德哥爾摩＂

1191
01:39:50,730 --> 01:39:55,280
你們要求見裴瑞斯外長多久 
So, how long will you be with Mr. Peres tonight?

1192
01:39:55,360 --> 01:39:57,870
要看外長的意思
As long as Mr. Peres wishes.

1193
01:40:03,410 --> 01:40:05,370
請問有東西可以吃嗎 
perhaps we could get something to eat?

1194
01:40:05,460 --> 01:40:07,830
很晚了 有辦法嗎 
It's late. Could that be arranged?

1195
01:40:08,880 --> 01:40:11,050
廚房已經休息了
The kitchen is closed.

1196
01:40:12,800 --> 01:40:16,130
部長 晚宴進行得如何 
Oh. Mr. Foreign Minister. How was your function?

1197
01:40:16,590 --> 01:40:17,970
很累人
Long.

1198
01:40:18,050 --> 01:40:19,800
需要幫您從廚房帶些什么嗎 
May I get you something from the kitchen?

1199
01:40:19,890 --> 01:40:21,060
不用 謝謝
No, thank you.

1200
01:40:21,890 --> 01:40:26,140
這兩人不在會客名單上
This couple is not on the official list for the guest house.

1201
01:40:26,730 --> 01:40:29,980
好 你可以走了
Good. You may leave us.

1202
01:40:37,780 --> 01:40:40,280
霍斯特還在參加晚宴 隨后就到
Holst is still at the reception, but he's coming.

1203
01:40:41,330 --> 01:40:44,200
這是最新版協議 辛格改過
This is the latest draft, with Singer's markings.

1204
01:40:45,500 --> 01:40:46,830
上工吧
Let's get started.

1205
01:40:47,960 --> 01:40:49,880
巴解的代表呢 
But where are the Palestinians?

1206
01:40:51,170 --> 01:40:52,920
巴勒斯坦人不會來
The Palestinians are not coming.

1207
01:40:53,000 --> 01:40:54,880
我們得通話敲定
We are doing this on the phone.

1208
01:40:54,960 --> 01:40:57,180
你們聯絡突尼斯 就說我打來
You will ring Tunis. Tell them I'm calling,

1209
01:40:57,260 --> 01:40:59,300
請他們找阿拉法特聽電話
and have them put Arafat on the line.

1210
01:41:00,550 --> 01:41:03,260
巴解高層知道您會打來嗎 
Is the PLO leadership expecting your call?

1211
01:41:03,770 --> 01:41:05,350
巴解高層
The PLO leadership

1212
01:41:05,430 --> 01:41:08,270
從未跟以色列高層對話
has never spoken to the Israeli leadership, ever.

1213
01:41:09,020 --> 01:41:10,560
唯有巴解領導人和我
But the chairman and I are the only ones

1214
01:41:10,650 --> 01:41:14,610
能做出痛苦卻必要的讓步
who can make the necessary and painful final compromises.

1215
01:41:15,150 --> 01:41:18,240
他和我依法不能直接聯絡
Since he and I can have no contact of any kind,

1216
01:41:18,320 --> 01:41:21,200
只能請霍斯特外長當中間人
we will use Holst as our intermediary.

1217
01:41:22,240 --> 01:41:24,950
快致電突尼斯 找阿拉法特吧
Now dial Tunis, and find Arafat.

1218
01:41:25,040 --> 01:41:28,040
天色晚了 還有得忙呢
The night is not young, my friends, and we have a long way to go.

1219
01:41:33,920 --> 01:41:36,800
打給突尼斯  說得像有專線電話一樣
"Dial Tunis"? Like there's one phone number there?

1220
01:41:37,420 --> 01:41:41,760
阿拉法特又不是打電話就能找著
This is Arafat. He's not reachable by phone.

1221
01:41:41,840 --> 01:41:43,300
阿布阿拉在哪里 
-Where is Abu Ala?

1222
01:41:43,390 --> 01:41:44,850
－不曉得 －在突尼斯嗎 
-I don't know. -Is he in Tunis?

1223
01:41:44,930 --> 01:41:46,680
我不知道 莫娜
-I don't know, Mona.

1224
01:41:46,770 --> 01:41:47,810
你在干嘛 
What are you doing?

1225
01:41:48,390 --> 01:41:52,110
我得找遍阿布阿拉可能待的地方
I'm going to call every possible number where Abu Ala could be staying.

1226
01:41:52,190 --> 01:41:54,400
他知道阿拉法特的聯系方法
He'll know how to reach Arafat.

1227
01:41:54,480 --> 01:41:55,780
天啊
Oh, my God.

1228
01:42:29,810 --> 01:42:32,020
天啊 午夜已經不遠
Christ! It's almost midnight.

1229
01:42:32,100 --> 01:42:34,020
快沒時間了
We are running out of time.

1230
01:42:34,110 --> 01:42:35,820
裴瑞斯外長已經休息
Mr. Peres has retired for this evening,

1231
01:42:35,900 --> 01:42:37,530
辦公室也要關了
so this office is closed.

1232
01:42:37,610 --> 01:42:41,360
不對 外長待會兒就會過來
No, Mr. Peres will be joining us again

1233
01:42:44,240 --> 01:42:46,160
可以借用影印機嗎 
in a few moments.

1234
01:42:46,240 --> 01:42:48,330
影印機也關了
Uh, may we use your copy machine?

1235
01:42:48,410 --> 01:42:49,450
謝謝
Thank you.

1236
01:42:51,540 --> 01:42:52,790
你好
Hello?

1237
01:42:53,420 --> 01:42:57,550
－塔瑞 －聽得到嗎‥ 
Can you hear me? -Can you hear me?

1238
01:42:57,630 --> 01:42:59,260
聽得到 潘托福
-Yes, yes, Puntoffle.

1239
01:42:59,340 --> 01:43:02,380
聽好了 父親請我來電
Listen to me. I'm calling for the father.

1240
01:43:02,470 --> 01:43:04,760
他想跟令祖父通話
He wishes to speak with your grandfather.

1241
01:43:05,550 --> 01:43:10,350
從現在起 今晚通話敲定整件事
He wants to finish it. On this phone. Now. Tonight.

1242
01:43:11,020 --> 01:43:12,480
聽懂了嗎 
Do you understand?

1243
01:43:12,560 --> 01:43:15,020
聽到了 我再回電給你
Yes, I do. I will call you back.

1244
01:43:15,100 --> 01:43:16,650
不行 我們等不及回電了
No, no, no, no, no. Don't call me back.

1245
01:43:16,730 --> 01:43:18,320
我再回電給你
I will call you back.

1246
01:43:18,400 --> 01:43:19,730
潘托福‥
Puntoffle, listen--

1247
01:43:31,870 --> 01:43:34,710
抱歉 文件卡在影印機里
I'm sorry. It's stuck in the copy machine,

1248
01:43:34,790 --> 01:43:35,830
拿不出來
and I can't get it out.

1249
01:43:35,920 --> 01:43:37,290
找人幫忙啊
Well, then ask her for help.

1250
01:43:37,380 --> 01:43:40,050
但她剛才不準我們用
But she said we could not use it.

1251
01:43:41,380 --> 01:43:42,970
我來想辦法修
I-I will fix it.

1252
01:43:51,020 --> 01:43:52,930
拉森 是我
Larsen, I am here.

1253
01:43:53,020 --> 01:43:54,690
潘托福 謝天謝地
Puntoffle. Thank God.

1254
01:43:55,940 --> 01:43:58,150
祖父在旁邊
I am with the grandfather.

1255
01:43:58,230 --> 01:43:59,270
太好了
Excellent.

1256
01:43:59,360 --> 01:44:02,490
領導班底全員到齊
And with the entire ruling council.

1257
01:44:04,740 --> 01:44:07,990
他剛才宣布了雙方正進行密談
We have just informed them of our channel,

1258
01:44:08,070 --> 01:44:10,870
以及目前為止的進度
and what is to now transpire.

1259
01:44:11,540 --> 01:44:16,420
了解 大家的反應如何 
Wow. Okay. And, uh... and...The news. How are they taking it?

1260
01:44:19,540 --> 01:44:21,210
我們就繼續談吧
Let's move on.

1261
01:44:22,090 --> 01:44:25,220
祖父自認英語欠佳
The grandfather's English is not as he wishes.

1262
01:44:25,300 --> 01:44:29,050
囑咐我代為發言轉達
Therefore, he asks that I speak for and to him.

1263
01:44:29,140 --> 01:44:30,390
我明白
I understand.

1264
01:44:31,850 --> 01:44:35,520
拉森 我要求你
And I ask that you, Larsen,

1265
01:44:35,600 --> 01:44:38,150
擔任跟我對話的窗口
are the one I speak to.

1266
01:44:38,230 --> 01:44:41,690
我們認為共同起頭的人
For here, what men begin together,

1267
01:44:41,770 --> 01:44:44,190
應該一起完事
men must finish together.

1268
01:44:47,860 --> 01:44:49,490
我去請希蒙過來
I'll get Shimon.

1269
01:45:03,090 --> 01:45:05,260
這次的作法完全不合外交慣例
It is a total breach of protocol.

1270
01:45:05,340 --> 01:45:06,840
假如您覺得不妥‥
If you are uneasy in any way--

1271
01:45:06,920 --> 01:45:09,050
我知道是很不妥
I understand. And it is.

1272
01:45:09,640 --> 01:45:12,010
不過我們得承認
But Johan Jorgen, I think we must acknowledge

1273
01:45:12,100 --> 01:45:15,810
事態老早就脫離外交慣例了
that now we are all very far beyond the bounds of protocol.

1274
01:45:27,860 --> 01:45:29,070
開工吧
Let us begin.

1275
01:45:37,290 --> 01:45:42,040
父親重申對未來屯墾區的要求
The father repeats his demand regarding future settlements.

1276
01:45:42,130 --> 01:45:43,210
不行
No!

1277
01:45:43,290 --> 01:45:50,340
前提是納入聯合國 第２４２和３３８號決議案
Not unless UN Resolutions 242 and 338 are to be included in this document!

1278
01:45:50,430 --> 01:45:51,640
沒門
No!

1279
01:45:51,720 --> 01:45:57,100
－好 －以色列與耶利哥市的正式界線
Official boundaries of all Israeli settlements abutting the city of Jericho

1280
01:45:57,180 --> 01:45:59,940
須經雙方同意劃定
must be set by both parties.

1281
01:46:00,560 --> 01:46:02,560
父親請您轉告祖父
The father says to tell the grandfather

1282
01:46:02,650 --> 01:46:06,280
小國在此議題上早已讓步
the little country has already compromised on this issue.

1283
01:46:06,730 --> 01:46:09,200
待我轉達‥祖父同意了
Let me pass that on. The grandfather says yes.

1284
01:46:09,280 --> 01:46:11,410
他能接受
Yes. He's, he's willing to accept that.

1285
01:46:11,490 --> 01:46:13,870
好‥謝謝你
Yes? All right. Good. Good. Thank you.

1286
01:46:19,960 --> 01:46:22,040
祖父說他要去睡覺了
the grandfather says he's going to bed.

1287
01:46:23,330 --> 01:46:25,800
等你改變心意后再打給他
Call him when-- when you change your mind.

1288
01:46:27,050 --> 01:46:32,260
我們同意由對方負責邊境安管
We will accept that their forces be in charge of border security.

1289
01:46:32,340 --> 01:46:37,430
但檢查哨都要由雙方駐軍
But our forces must have joint control of all checkpoints.

1290
01:46:37,520 --> 01:46:40,230
跟他說我們的檢查哨要自己管
Tell him our checkpoints, our soldiers.

1291
01:46:40,310 --> 01:46:41,850
這一點絕不妥協
We will not cede this point.

1292
01:46:41,940 --> 01:46:44,900
告訴他 我們大可燒掉協議
Tell him we will burn this document

1293
01:46:44,980 --> 01:46:50,110
大家拼個你死我活
and wage war upon you until the last days of time!

1294
01:46:52,280 --> 01:46:56,280
但我們愿意接受可行的替代方案
But also that we are open to a counterproposal.

1295
01:47:13,260 --> 01:47:18,600
我們承認巴勒斯坦解放組織
We will accept that the Palestine Liberation Organization...

1296
01:47:20,520 --> 01:47:25,350
為巴勒斯坦人民的官方機構
is the official voice of the Palestinian people.

1297
01:47:28,570 --> 01:47:31,940
我們承認
We will accept...

1298
01:47:34,490 --> 01:47:37,830
以色列為合法國家
the legitimacy of the State of Israel.

1299
01:47:43,830 --> 01:47:47,840
耶路撒冷只可作為以色列的首都
Jerusalem will remain solely the capital of Israel.

1300
01:47:47,920 --> 01:47:50,050
－不同意 －這點沒得談
No! -Non-negotiable!

1301
01:47:50,130 --> 01:47:54,380
拉森‥我們不是在虛張聲勢
Larsen! Larsen! This is not the bluffing!

1302
01:47:59,100 --> 01:48:00,310
等一下
Wait.

1303
01:48:23,160 --> 01:48:28,000
基于建設性模糊的原則
In the name of constructive ambiguity,

1304
01:48:35,130 --> 01:48:38,840
我方同意
we will accept that

1305
01:48:40,260 --> 01:48:44,140
待日后談判的最終階段
in the final stage of further negotiations,

1306
01:48:45,230 --> 01:48:49,480
再討論耶路撒冷事宜
the future of Jerusalem will be addressed.

1307
01:48:52,690 --> 01:48:56,820
我方接受此協議
We accept this document.

1308
01:49:02,540 --> 01:49:04,370
我們也同意
As do we.

1309
01:49:38,950 --> 01:49:40,240
阿布阿拉
Abu Ala...

1310
01:49:42,530 --> 01:49:44,030
那是什么聲音 
what is that sound?

1311
01:49:45,290 --> 01:49:50,370
大家都喜極而泣了
They are crying. All of them.

1312
01:49:52,170 --> 01:49:56,130
沒人想到有生之年能見證這一天
They did not think they would live to see this day.

1313
01:50:33,380 --> 01:50:36,500
請聽我說 巴勒斯坦人民
Let me say to you, the Palestinians,

1314
01:50:37,000 --> 01:50:43,390
我們注定生活在同一塊土地上
we are destined to live together, on the same soil, in the same land.

1315
01:50:44,010 --> 01:50:48,390
我們是返家的戰士
We, the soldiers who have returned from battles

1316
01:50:48,470 --> 01:50:50,100
渾身血跡
stained with blood;

1317
01:50:51,060 --> 01:50:53,850
在我們的家鄉
we, who have come from a land

1318
01:50:54,310 --> 01:50:57,940
白發人要送黑發人
where parents bury their children;

1319
01:50:58,030 --> 01:51:00,900
身為跟你們對決的人
we, who have fought against you,

1320
01:51:00,990 --> 01:51:02,910
巴勒斯坦人啊
the Palestinians,

1321
01:51:02,990 --> 01:51:08,870
我們今天要清楚明白告訴你們
we say to you today, in a loud and a clear voice,

1322
01:51:08,950 --> 01:51:12,620
別再流血流淚了
enough of blood and tears.

1323
01:51:12,710 --> 01:51:14,460
到此為止
Enough.

1324
01:51:33,690 --> 01:51:36,270
奧斯陸密談起初的目標
"The Oslo channel began with

1325
01:51:36,360 --> 01:51:40,230
是要開啟敵對雙方的對話
"the hopes of creating a dialogue between adversaries.

1326
01:51:43,070 --> 01:51:48,160
成效早已遠遠超乎預期
"Already, this process has succeeded beyond anything we imagined:

1327
01:51:50,540 --> 01:51:53,460
巴勒斯坦建立起了政府
"The establishment of a Palestinian state.

1328
01:51:54,290 --> 01:51:58,790
向以色列與約旦議和
"Movement towards a peace treaty between Israel and Jordan."

1329
01:52:02,130 --> 01:52:04,510
然而 可想而知
"And yet, undoubtedly,

1330
01:52:04,590 --> 01:52:07,470
自然也會有人反對和平歷程
objection to this process is coming."

1331
01:52:09,140 --> 01:52:11,640
（希語）來到這里的人

1332
01:52:11,720 --> 01:52:14,980
（希語）都反對暴力 愛好和平

1333
01:52:18,230 --> 01:52:19,900
＂１９９５年１１月＂

1334
01:52:19,980 --> 01:52:23,190
＂特拉維夫舉辦游行聲援協議＂

1335
01:52:23,280 --> 01:52:26,530
＂以國激進反動份子刺殺總理＂

1336
01:52:26,610 --> 01:52:28,700
＂拉賓不幸身亡＂

1337
01:52:28,780 --> 01:52:34,750
犯行罪大惡極 令人震驚
I am very shocked for this awful and terrible crime...

1338
01:52:35,660 --> 01:52:41,170
過世的以色列領導人極其果敢
against one of the brave leaders of Israel.

1339
01:52:42,130 --> 01:52:43,760
致力于和平
And a peacemaker.

1340
01:52:44,380 --> 01:52:45,970
＂２０００年７月＂

1341
01:52:46,050 --> 01:52:48,800
＂以巴于大衛營舉辦峰會＂

1342
01:52:48,890 --> 01:52:50,550
＂討論所有未竟事項＂

1343
01:52:50,640 --> 01:52:52,310
＂包含耶路撒冷前景＂

1344
01:52:52,390 --> 01:52:54,060
＂與巴勒斯坦建國議題＂

1345
01:52:54,140 --> 01:52:55,810
＂但未能達成任何共識＂

1346
01:53:02,860 --> 01:53:04,070
＂２０００年９月＂

1347
01:53:04,150 --> 01:53:05,530
＂以國占領區再起沖突＂

1348
01:53:05,610 --> 01:53:09,570
＂第二次反抗運動就此揭幕＂

1349
01:53:11,330 --> 01:53:15,120
每逢有人致力消弭族群仇恨
"For the efforts of any peoples to bridge their hatreds

1350
01:53:15,200 --> 01:53:19,540
總會有部分人士頑強抵抗
"is always met by some with fierce resistance.

1351
01:53:22,040 --> 01:53:25,550
但無論鑄下什么錯誤
"But whatever mistakes were made,

1352
01:53:27,170 --> 01:53:30,720
或意外引發哪些事件
"whatever unintended events have been unleashed,

1353
01:53:32,220 --> 01:53:35,680
我依舊認為奧斯陸密談頗有建樹
"I still believe this channel was worth doing.

1354
01:53:39,770 --> 01:53:42,980
假如我們無法與敵人面對面
"For if we do not sit across from our enemies,

1355
01:53:44,070 --> 01:53:45,900
聆聽對方的聲音
"and hear them,

1356
01:53:45,980 --> 01:53:48,400
明白對方也是人類
"and see them as human beings,

1357
01:53:50,410 --> 01:53:52,320
我們還算得上什么 
what will become of us?"

1358
01:54:15,890 --> 01:54:16,930
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